I just had a rather extensive conversation with a Satanist at Tam's Burgers.

[SemiEnlightenedBum]

Facts.

Father of all lies and still has his people believing he's an angel when he's actually a cherubim

you ever read what Islam thinks of cherubims,or are you one of those 'strict christian' baptist/protestant types..?

 

[the class]

good shyt for being open minded,you should glean knowledge from as many sources as you could,new knowledge tests your previously held beliefs and makes you either fortify them or adapt to fit the new input..and that put in function breeds wis(e)dom(e)..

did he bring up Anton LeVey..?

You beat me to this....was surprised the thread went that long with no mention of him, the 9 statements or anything...

 

[Neuromancer]

You beat me to this....was surprised the thread went that long with no mention of him, the 9 statements or anything...

Isn't Levy a Niezchtian satanist though?

 

[MF budz]

Dialogue With "Hidden Hand" - Self-Proclaimed Illuminati Insider

am i the only one who read this shyt. idk if i believe it but the dude writing it has to. Its still fukk religion though :Jimgotcha:

 

[the class]

Isn't Levy a Niezchtian satanist though?

I have no idea.

 

[Eddie Brock]

 

[Neuromancer]

How come you don't respond twice. You know cause of the whole "we" thing.

 

[Clayton Endicott]

Food spot. Might just be in LA... idk. Its a chain, but way smaller than a McDonalds, so the food is real food.. but bigger than a solo food spot where you don't know whats going on and they got family members working there that don't know what they are doing.

Its a good middle ground.

The spot's kind of hot where Tam's is aint it I heard the burgers are on point. Burgers are my shyt

Edit: didn't see where u said it was a chain

 

[The Burger King]

God is a petty mothafukka.

 

[John Hull]

You hangin out at Tam's after dark you might as well be talking to the devil himself cause you dancin with him already

 

[DJDONTNOBODYPAYME]

The easiest way to break someone's Faith is tell them the undisputed Facts about their Beliefs. They'll fold Everytime. You don't even have to be thirsty 4 nuthin or deceitful to break em 4 life

 

[notPsychosiz]

Of course. lol



This is true.
But "angel" doesn't necessarily imply goodness. Those angels with Satan are called "wicked angels".



This is incorrect.

1. The Bible is an eastern book, so you have to examine the verbiage they use in the original languages it is written.
In those times, "a third" of something was used figuratively to mean "a large portion" or anything. So the exact number of angels
who sided with Satan is not given.

2. By that dudes' own definition and what he says the Bible says (which is true), those angels who side with Satan are still "angels".
So it's not that "they weren't angels anymore" (sidebar: all "angel" means is "messenger") - they choose to be angels for another side.

3. The aforementioned angels who switched sides switched sides not because they disagreed - but because of actions they took
which were counter to the "Main Leader Angel aka God"...which is covered in the next point.



This is incorrect. This event did not happen later, this is actually the first "third" mentioned in the Bible record of renegade angels.



This is incorrect.

1. Satan, even after rebellion, still had access to heaven.
The very beginning of the book of Job clearly states that "God" had a day where he met with the angels and Satan came in to answer for
what he had been up (like all the other angels), which is when he challenged God about Job.

2. Also, this "batch" of angels did not decide that God was "full of shyt"...they just decided that they would rather be doing something else
than being servants for him, just like us humans have the right to do.

You can see this when much later Jesus confronted demons who were possessing a man, and the demons essentially said.
"Jesus, don't be a hater - let us have our fun...you know it's not time for us to be dealt with yet..." Such is all that these angels have
in their corner; the fact that they can do what they want until it's time for them to get dealt with (again - just like us humans).



...and here's the thing. If you read the Bible, then Satan is still "the reason for all the bad things that happen and the reason for PEOPLE going against
God" - even by his (or "their") definition.

Like he told you, Satan didn't tell Eve what to do - he just gave her information...
...but it was misinformation. Just like that dude was kickin'.



sidebar: I miss Tams.

Thanks. Very informative.
I wish I had you there at the time cause I would have liked to see you two argue.

I didn't really have a strong feeling toward proving him correct or incorrect I was just listening to his argurement.

But one of the problems you are facing is that you are doing things like debating the validity or translation of the words used. While his account supports what is actually written. Any observer is going to look at that as falacious. If your own book says 'a third' then your arguement is 'it doesn't really mean a third' one of two things then occur. Either you are incorrect, or you are correct meaning your book is flawed and there is no reason to trust it because who knows how many other errors or mistranslations appear.

So you have to see how terrible an arguement that is. Assuming you are correct, you invalidate the bible itself in the entire western world.
This is the same thing that occurs when people debate the word whale as it portains to the creature that swallowed Jonnah.
If the book your church certifies as doctrine says "whale" you cannot declare well, it wasn't really a whale, without invalidating the book and by extension the church itself. Plus, you can't even have the leadership simply announce that a mistake was printed cause they already rubberstamped it and went out of their way to claim the Pope is infallable and certified by god and other claims which then fall into question.

Thats a delicate string you are yanking at, just so you know.

 

[notPsychosiz]

You hangin out at Tam's after dark you might as well be talking to the devil himself cause you dancin with him already

Nah, it was lunchtime. Like 3pm

 

[notPsychosiz]

I merely presented you the information on what I read in the article, hopefully my summary is accurate.

In your scenario, you would be wrong and a scumbag father but there is a difference. You gave her no choice. You would have to tell her to never open the front door but you would still be wrong.

Idk the thought process of a diety.

From the article: God gave us everything we wanted in Eden so God thought Adam and Eve wouldn't have a reason to go against God's will.
Lucifer says that we don't love god only obey him because we have to and proposes a challenge. God accepts and Lucifer creates temptation. God trusted that Adam and Eve would resist temptation so much that God allowed them the choice to make bad decisions and go against God's laws. God did this by allowing the apple to exist and allowing Adam and Eve to choose whether or not to eat the apple.

Why cant we live in paradise (Eden) with free choice (knowledge)? Only reason I could think of is that God must know people would do whatever they want even if its against his will (like how alot of people live now).

So many questions man...
Is it really eden//heaven if you cant do what you want?

@Taadow Does the bible say why God didn't want us to acquire knowledge (eating the apple) or was it just based off principle of disobeying?
Did Adam and Eve think it was a regular apple or were they told its power?
Could you say that God was tempted to play a game with Adam and Eve as pawns? Why would God even entertain Lucifer? How could he not predict the outcome?

See thats even worse than what I remember from the bible.
According to that, Satan isn't even being subversive. If he challenges god like you indicate and god accepts, they just made a wager that both parties were okay with. So then when Adam & Eve do what Satan said theuy would and god looses the bet god punishes Adam and Eve.


There is no real way to spin that so it isn't messed up.
He made a bet, lost, then Mike Vick'd his dogs for losing basically... and Adam and Eve were the dogs.

 

[ZEB WALTON]

Ive actually been reading into the "history" of all that. Read paradise lost (what a bytch to read) and a lotta documentaries.

We fukked bro. God left us for these demons here.

God gave us free choice and punished us for using it. Makes no sense and actually the story makes god seem like a bytch how he lost to satan.

There is no free choice. Do what he says get paradise (which is gone now anyway). So why do what he says?

Lucifer/ satan ... The fallen angels. The ones whi created nephilim. Why is god creating these things in the first place to challenge his rule. Is he even god then? Or is he the evuilent to a scientist creating artifical intelligence which will no doubt turn into some terminator shyt like humans and angels before them.

All this stems from parents leavin their kids. Gods leaving us.