I just had a rather extensive conversation with a Satanist at Tam's Burgers.

[Master Teacher]

He wasn't a real satanist, because they do have a book it's called the codex gigas

Also the Devil, Lucifer, and Satan are three different beings.

 

[LurkMoar]

Whats the point doe? You worship satan so you can take that eternal L in the fire?

 

[DJDONTNOBODYPAYME]

Whats the point doe? You worship satan so you can take that eternal L in the fire?

Have you had an honest discussion with yourself what "Heaven" its really is? Or all you're jjst caught up in the nostalgia

 

[LurkMoar]

Have you had an honest discussion with yourself what "Heaven" its really is? Or all you're jjst caught up in the nostalgia

i honestly havent thought of it and rather dont want to as it bring up questions of my own mortality and what is in store for me after i die..





welp this thread just became too heavy for me im out

 

[Taadow]

Thanks. Very informative.
I wish I had you there at the time cause I would have liked to see you two argue.

I would've been of no amusement to you in that case.
I wouldn't have had a need to argue with him when he said he was a "Satanist" and then the first thing he says after that is
there is no such thing as "Satan". lol

But one of the problems you are facing is that you are doing things like debating the validity or translation of the words used. While his account supports what is actually written.

I'm not "debating the validity of the words used"...I have done the research so as to understand the context of the words mean,
as (again) I am a western person who wanted to understand an eastern work. It doesn't take long to do. And doing such
clears up the ambiguity that persons such as the gentleman you met are hung up on.

Any observer is going to look at that as falacious. If your own book says 'a third' then your arguement is 'it doesn't really mean a third' one of two things then occur. Either you are incorrect, or you are correct meaning your book is flawed and there is no reason to trust it because who knows how many other errors or mistranslations appear.

On the contrary, that doesn't mean the book is flawed...it means your understanding is flawed.

It's like Shakespeare...his work was written in a different time as well, so a person reading it today who has no knowledge
of Elizabethan English is not gonna understand it without putting in some effort. That doesn't mean "Romeo And Juliet", "As You Like It",
or "Othello" are "flawed". As a matter of fact, it's the opposite...those who study such works understand that the themes and messages
of those are still valid today. It's the same with the Bible.

So you have to see how terrible an arguement that is. Assuming you are correct, you invalidate the bible itself in the entire western world.

Does it? Or does it invalidate the entire western world?

This is the same thing that occurs wHen people debate the word whale as it portains to the creature that swallowed Jonnah.
If the book your church certifies as doctrine says "whale" you cannot declare well, it wasn't really a whale, without invalidating the book and by extension the church itself. Plus, you can't even have the leadership simply announce that a mistake was printed cause they already rubberstamped it and went out of their way to claim the Pope is infallable and certified by god and other claims which then fall into question.

This is only the case if Catholicism is the true Christian church (and I don't believe it is).

The Bible shows in many places that truth is revealed progressively, so anything "rubberstamped" by a church
in the Dark Ages is not free from scrutiny today. The more people understand this, the better off they'll be.

 

[Taadow]

@Taadow Does the bible say why God didn't want us to acquire knowledge (eating the apple) or was it just based off principle of disobeying?

The Bible does not say.

However:

1. We do not know if the fruit was an apple. The Bible just calls it "fruit".

2. What kind of "knowledge" was being acquired? The Bible calls the tree "The Tree Of Knowledge Of Good And Bad".

Did Adam and Eve think it was a regular apple or were they told its power?

They had to know this particular fruit (or tree) was different, because they (technically Adam) was told if they ate from it they would die.
They were told that in advance.

As a matter of fact, God told Adam not to eat from it.
However, Eve told the snake that "they were not even to touch the tree". So Adam put more restrictions on it when he told Eve.

Could you say that God was tempted to play a game with Adam and Eve as pawns? Why would God even entertain Lucifer? How could he not predict the outcome?

It doesn't seem God wanted to play a game with Adam and Eve...he had plans for them, and gave them work to do...
their choosing to disobey would disrupt those plans.

Apparently, he could predict the outcome...as we can see from the warning he gave them.

 

[Texasdymond]

Wait tho... isn't keeping someone ignorant a form of deception?

Also, since when is keeping a person ignorant good?
If I have a kid and keep it locked in the house with no knowledge of the outside world, even if I feed it and raise it and provide for it, the general consensus would be that I'm a piece of shyt. There would be a 5-star plat thread BLACKMAN KEEPS DAUGHTER LOCKED IN HOUSE.. but its good when a god or angel does it?

Why?

God never intended to keep anyone ignorant. That's another lie from Satan. He wanted to protect mankind from the effects of sin. Sin is separation from God thru disobedience to His Word. Satan, at that point had already been kicked out of Heaven for the same thing- sin. He was and still is pissed at God for kicking him out. Satan knew the best way to get back at God was thru his own creation - to get man d

I thought i deleted the above comment...that's why its incomplete.

I understand what you are saying, and there are certainly people like that. But that doesn't line up with the person I met.

Also... that original picture of god touching fingers with that dude is hilarious cause god gave him a micropenis and is pointing at him like which does support the theory that god was an a-hole.

God is not an ass hole. That pic is a white man's interpretation of how Adam looked at creation. If anything it just proves that most white men have small penises.

 

[Family Lives Matter]

Cacs finna cac
The fukk I look like talking to them about it

God is not an ass hole. That pic is a white man's interpretation of how Adam looked at creation. If anything it just proves that most white men have small penises.

 

[notPsychosiz]

I would've been of no amusement to you in that case.
I wouldn't have had a need to argue with him when he said he was a "Satanist" and then the first thing he says after that is
there is no such thing as "Satan". lol



I'm not "debating the validity of the words used"...I have done the research so as to understand the context of the words mean,
as (again) I am a western person who wanted to understand an eastern work. It doesn't take long to do. And doing such
clears up the ambiguity that persons such as the gentleman you met are hung up on.



On the contrary, that doesn't mean the book is flawed...it means your understanding is flawed.

It's like Shakespeare...his work was written in a different time as well, so a person reading it today who has no knowledge
of Elizabethan English is not gonna understand it without putting in some effort. That doesn't mean "Romeo And Juliet", "As You Like It",
or "Othello" are "flawed". As a matter of fact, it's the opposite...those who study such works understand that the themes and messages
of those are still valid today. It's the same with the Bible.



Does it? Or does it invalidate the entire western world?



This is only the case if Catholicism is the true Christian church (and I don't believe it is).

The Bible shows in many places that truth is revealed progressively, so anything "rubberstamped" by a church
in the Dark Ages is not free from scrutiny today. The more people understand this, the better off they'll be.

edit... actually, on second thought I'll give you a more thorough answer. (below)

 

[notPsychosiz]

I would've been of no amusement to you in that case.
I wouldn't have had a need to argue with him when he said he was a "Satanist" and then the first thing he says after that is
there is no such thing as "Satan". lol



I'm not "debating the validity of the words used"...I have done the research so as to understand the context of the words mean,
as (again) I am a western person who wanted to understand an eastern work. It doesn't take long to do. And doing such
clears up the ambiguity that persons such as the gentleman you met are hung up on.



On the contrary, that doesn't mean the book is flawed...it means your understanding is flawed.

It's like Shakespeare...his work was written in a different time as well, so a person reading it today who has no knowledge
of Elizabethan English is not gonna understand it without putting in some effort. That doesn't mean "Romeo And Juliet", "As You Like It",
or "Othello" are "flawed". As a matter of fact, it's the opposite...those who study such works understand that the themes and messages
of those are still valid today. It's the same with the Bible.



Does it? Or does it invalidate the entire western world?



This is only the case if Catholicism is the true Christian church (and I don't believe it is).

The Bible shows in many places that truth is revealed progressively, so anything "rubberstamped" by a church
in the Dark Ages is not free from scrutiny today. The more people understand this, the better off they'll be.

So... the word of god is infallible. Except for certain words... which are incorrect and need to be replaced with other words that better fit your narrative.
Gotcha. You are one of those.

No thx. I'll go back to discussing whats actually printed. See, in science we call that a constant. And without a constant you can have no basis of understanding. How the real world works is when you use a variable in place of your constant, your experiment cannot be reliably replicated.
Psuedoscience nonsense sellsmen use this trick to bs their way out of producing evidence to support their claims, cause it works wonders on the uneducated. You can say things mean other things and never have to focus on what is actually in front of you.

But really how are you complaining about the dark ages and anything rubberstamped by the church...
The entire bible is rubberstamped by the church.
It is the actual rubberstamp itself... cause the church uses it to rubberstamp other nonsense. "Remember, It says in the bible... "

Anything the church didn't want in the bible simply wasn't included in the first place.
So things like the Apocalypse of Peter which takes place after the Revelation of John (Revelations) was ommitted entirely.
Constantine was no different than any other book editor and decided on going with an alternate ending. See, in that chapter the apostle Peter reveals that everyone in hell eventually ends up in heaven anyway cause it causes the people in heaven pain to see the people suffering in hell. But is that in the bible? Nope. Its from 100 AD, before the bible was composed, same as all the other chapters but instead the church was like don't read that and put it on a banned list of stuff the apostles said that is disregarded... All sorts of accounts from the apostles were left out in this way, its why the issue over all of the books of Mary. They cut her out the bible like they cut Coolio out of the first Daredevil movie. That nikka showed up to set, recorded scenes and didn't appear once in the final version. Thats the power of editing. So the entire bible itself is an incomplete collection of stories based merely on what the church wanted to portray at the time. And thats the first bible we are talking about... so it wasn't some pure thing that then became b*stardized down the line. It was immediately edited down to a b*stardized version from inception. They cut shyt outta Genesis just for to speed the story along. The Adam and Eve thing goes on forever. She had to stand in a river origibally... it was tedious so they said 'just keep the apple stuff' and kept it pushing.

Anyway... you probably aren't even reading this. Its why you type in a blue font. You are really just concerned with speaking not partaking in information and reflecting as well, so there was never any real dialogue to be had here.

 

[Thegospel]

Lol everybody has their own opinion. I respect his mind

 

[Mountain]

I understand what you are saying, and there are certainly people like that. But that doesn't line up with the person I met.

Also... that original picture of god touching fingers with that dude is hilarious cause god gave him a micropenis and is pointing at him like which does support the theory that god was an a-hole.

Not to derail the thread but that painting is dope especially if you know the history behind it. Michaelangelo was a renaissance man, physician and artist commissioned by the pope to paint the ceiling of the sisteen chapel.

The chapel was one of the most renown chapels at the time so they wanted him to draw a bunch of godly painting on it. For one of the paintings he painted a very subtle but anatomically accurate brain (if you look carefully you can see outlines of the cerebellum, cortex, vertebral e.t.c.).

"The birth of Adam" represents Adam finally becoming aware and trying to get more in touch with himself because he realises god and heaven are of the mind.

Saying that would have been considered blasphemous back then and would get you killed, so he said it subliminally. Neither the public, church or pope realised that was the real message of the art piece and they all considered it the most prized fresco painting on the ceiling of the sisteen chapel church for years aint that somthing.

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

He wasn't a real satanist, because they do have a book it's called the codex gigas

Also the Devil, Lucifer, and Satan are three different beings.

truth.com

for the record...SATANISTS are a bunch of dumb azz sensational attention seekers...think Marylin Manson

now if we talking LUCIFERIANS....that's whole nutha level brutha ....

and they will NOT be having a conversation with you (the profane) at some damn burger joint

 

[Master Teacher]

truth.com

for the record...SATANISTS are a bunch of dumb azz sensational attention seekers...think Marylin Manson

now if we talking LUCIFERIANS....that's whole nutha level brutha ....

and they will NOT be having a conversation with you (the profane) at some damn burger joint

Lucifer just means Day Star.

Lucifer is only mentioned once in the Bible and it refers to Nebuchadnezzar, the king of Babylon, attempting to be like God, not God, but like God, as in God in the form of a man as in Jesus.

Isaiah 14: 12-14: “How art thou fallen from heaven , O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High”. The bold is the part

But that same passage is also written as this Isaiah 14:12: “How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!”

Lucifer is just latin for morning star. Now you have to ask yourself who or what is the morning star.

Jesus himself refers to himself as Lucifer
Revelation 22:16
“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”'

Luciferians believe themselves to be lie god above everyone else.

The passage in Isaiah is speaking on the outlandishness of the King of Babylon's claim to to be Jesus or Lucifer the morning star.

It says How Art Thou Fallen from Earth, O lucifier son of the morning. It's like 50 cent saying In High School you was the man homie what the fukk happened to you. It saying if you are are truly the son of god how are you on Earth, why aren't you in Heaven above the stars

How art thou cut down to the ground =how were brought down from heaven

which didst weaken nations = bablyon had brought down many nations including Israel.

For thou hast said in thine heart=For you have claimed, pledged or whatever

I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of gods(angels) I will ascend above the clouds and will be like the most high

This was the king bablyon proclaiming he will build his kingdom so big, he would be above the clouds above god's angels, the day star is above all the heavens, and he said he be LIKE THE MOST HIGH.

Satan wants to BE GOD, not be like him.

This is the problem with translations and men reading something, and getting confused because they never read the complete story.

Nowhere in the bible does it says Lucifer was Satan, or that Lucifer was an angel who got cast out of heaven. The word Lucifer only appears once in the bible, and that's when they didn't translate it to morning star from latin.

Because someone read the passage and it says "O lucifer how have thou fallen" they assume it meant Satan being cast out of heaven.

Jesus the morning star, above all other stars. He is Lucifer.

Lucifer is associated with hell and the devil, because of that passage out of context, and the fact the Sun is in fact the final resting place of all of Satan's followers and sinners after they go to hell. They call it the second death in Revelations.



Revelation 20:14King James Version (KJV)
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

The bible describes hell as the seven layers of the Earth, the core being the part where the worst offenders will go before the second death.

Hell in the bible is describe as the Earth's a core, a bottomless pit. Core of a round Earth is in fact a bottomless bit because here's no up or down
It's also where the seven layers of hell come from, which are the seven layers of the Earth, beginning with the grave.

In revelations it says death and hell will be tossed in a lake of fire and sulfer

The bible is quite literal in everything it says.

The lake of fire in sulfur is indeed the sun

look how the solar flare splashes like water, it is literally a lake of fire and sulfur.

So at after people to hell, they will have the second death, where the Earth is engulfed by the sun.

 

[Taadow]

So... the word of god is infallible. Except for certain words... which are incorrect and need to be replaced with other words that better fit your narrative.
Gotcha. You are one of those.

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