I just realized how dumb you have to be to not think God created us

[Mr. Manhattan]

I mean really think about

Every living thing on this planet came from Star dust
This is what you non believers really believe in?

Let me say it again, EVERY living thing on this planet, came from the dust of exploding stars.

These atheist really believe that matter is infinite

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

the has to be a starting point for everything.

He was just there

So why can't the universe have been like that?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

These atheist really believe that matter is infinite

False.

Atheism is the answer to a question: Do you believe in god(s)? No.

Everything beyond that is an assertion towards other claims or questions.

"atheism" isn't a thing, and it doesn't assert beliefs.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

i believe we are the product of star dust or whatever - certain elements becoming what they became

the God, for me, is in the part where these elements decide for themselves to do all that. these basic components that somehow just developed into complex biochemical factories

it makes way more sense to believe it was God than it does to believe these atoms and cells n shyt just up and decided to do all this on their own

If you've taken organic chemistry, this gets debunked within the first week of class.

Its not "on their own"

its that organization of certain molecules is predicated based on energetic confirmations and the orientation of molecules.

Some orientations of some compounds can't be favored in all aspects.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I believe in God... but yes we do come from stardust... doesn't negate the existence of God. Everything is Everything


Can tthe mods merge the threads please?

But thats one more thing that you can't attribute to your god...thats the point here.

The "god" box gets smaller every time we learn something.

 

[BelowTheMasonDixon]

The Anti God squad on the coli kills me every time. If you feel God don't exist, why give a shyt what people who believe so do.

 

[FrederickDouglas]

Pretty good film

 

[Why-Fi]

If you've taken organic chemistry, this gets debunked within the first week of class.

Its not "on their own"

its that organization of certain molecules is predicated based on energetic confirmations and the orientation of molecules.

Some orientations of some compounds can't be favored in all aspects.

yes but why? how? they just happen to be organized this way?

and the increasing complexity as you build and build just happens to be a result of organization inherent from....nothing?

 

[Chesirecatdaddy]

But thats one more thing that you can't attribute to your god...thats the point here.

The "god" box gets smaller every time we learn something.

How is that one more thing I can't attribute? Because it's not in the bible? So there has to be details and words like stardust being used for you to attribute it to "my" God?

Wave-particle theory shows that there's an observer and that's as far as we've got right now... and that's not closing any God box, nothing you're saying is anything I haven't heard before.

[Quran 21.30] Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the Earth were meshed together then We ripped them apart? And then We made of water everything living? Would they still not believe?

There are plenty of examples just not in great detail... but why would there be great detail?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

yes but why? how? they just happen to be organized this way?

Well...we can talk about quantum mechanics if you want...

But lets keep it simple:

you know what makes up atoms right? Protons, neutrons, electrons...well when you have mismatched pairs of these, they tend to lead to orientations in unique forms.

Some of these confirmations make it easier for some molecules to fit better than others.

Look...this is getting kinda complicated and I can tailor future responses depending to what you're experienced with...

What chemistry and biology classes have you taken?

and the increasing complexity as you build and build just happens to be a result of organization inherent from....nothing?

Look. There may not be a CURRENT answer as to where "everything" came from, and I understand your reservation...but we DO know a lot and constantly are confirming what we know.

Stop looking to the margins of science to defend your god...but instead, seek to understand what we DO know and then go forth and try and learn more.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

How is that one more thing I can't attribute? Because it's not in the bible? So there has to be details and words like stardust being used for you to attribute it to "my" God?

Wave-particle theory shows that there's an observer and that's as far as we've got right now...

False.

Thats NOT what that means.

In the macro-human sense, wave/particle duality doesn't make sense, but in terms of the mathematics, it does.

and that's not closing any God box, nothing you're saying is anything I haven't heard before.

yet what you DO know can't be attributed to a god.

Do you see my point?

We understand what causes earthquakes...not god.

People USED to think that.

Catch the drift?

[Quran 21.30] Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the Earth were meshed together then We ripped them apart?

this statement doesn't make any sense.

And then We made of water everything living? Would they still not believe?

including a statement of fact (humans are composed of a majority water) doesn't mean that therefore the rest of that statement is inherently true.

i.e., the notion that "god" is behind everything is NOT supported.

There are plenty of examples just not in great detail... but why would there be great detail?

So you can't keep defending that argument.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The Anti God squad on the coli kills me every time. If you feel God don't exist, why give a shyt what people who believe so do.

why can't you address the topic at hand and keep focused...

 

[BelowTheMasonDixon]

why can't you address the topic at hand and keep focused...

I've had this back and forth with you before, its pointless. good day sir.

 

[Why-Fi]

Well...we can talk about quantum mechanics if you want...

But lets keep it simple:

you know what makes up atoms right? Protons, neutrons, electrons...well when you have mismatched pairs of these, they tend to lead to orientations in unique forms.

Some of these confirmations make it easier for some molecules to fit better than others.

Look...this is getting kinda complicated and I can tailor future responses depending to what you're experienced with...
What chemistry and biology classes have you taken?



Look. There may not be a CURRENT answer as to where "everything" came from, and I understand your reservation...but we DO know a lot and constantly are confirming what we know.

Stop looking to the margins of science to defend your god...but instead, seek to understand what we DO know and then go forth and try and learn more.

im gonna chill because i always give myself a headache when i talk about this. but you can break things down non stop for a zillion years but you will reach a point where you cant explain any further. you can tell me what composes a proton, then i could ask where those materials come from and so on and so forth. telling me that all this happened by chance is waaaaaay more ridiculous to me then telling me it all results from intelligent design...

i have taken organic chemistry and it just left me with the question how the fukk does all this "just happen"

 

[Chesirecatdaddy]

False.

Thats NOT what that means.

In the macro-human sense, wave/particle duality doesn't make sense, but in terms of the mathematics, it does.

yet what you DO know can't be attributed to a god.

Do you see my point?

We understand what causes earthquakes...not god.

People USED to think that.

Catch the drift?

this statement doesn't make any sense.
including a statement of fact (humans are composed of a majority water) doesn't mean that therefore the rest of that statement is inherently true.

i.e., the notion that "god" is behind everything is NOT supported.


So you can't keep defending that argument.

Listen by default God would be the creator of all these things since he created the system that houses and sustains all these things... he would be the designer.

Imagine If I created a videogame/simulation and gave everything functions and attributes... now they function on their own.. am I not still their creator? I am and that will never change.... so you're focusing your argument on the wrong thing because that's not how these things were mean to be interpreted... that's how some people and a more primitive people used to interpret it... You argue about the way people saw shyt a long time ago. It doesn't matter if the characters in my simulation figure out that the functions I have created are responsible for certain actions in their world or even why I made it that way.

and your little spiel about wave-particle making sense or not making sense means nothing... wave particle theory exists and that's all that matters. You need an observer for things to exist.. as long as that holds true you will never close the Creator box. It doesn't matter if the creator is the God of the bible, some alien, A computer programmer, some kinda of consciousness,etc.