I just realized how dumb you have to be to not think God created us

[Why-Fi]

We live on a rock floating in the middle of a void

But the concept of a creator makes no sense

yea one rock out of god knows how many with life on it, yet only what we can observe and measure exists. we don't even have a frame of reference for science. we could still be primitive as fukk compared to other shyt and we wouldn't even know

 

[Mr. Somebody]

yea one rock out of god knows how many with life on it, yet only what we can observe and measure exists.

This is why humanity will prove to be foolish and primitive, currently the more we explore the universe.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

if I just said god begins when the ability to explain stops, why are you arguing the point with me that god doesn't explain anything?

Because then you'd move the goalposts whenever we discern and discover that god isn't responsible for something.

You can't keep presupposing god, where god is revealed not to be.

saying "god did it" isn't supposed to get you anywhere. THATS the point

Yet you keep doing it...

if the idea of god does not defy or exceed our reasoning, then why would we need it?

I don't know...which is why I don't understand why otherwise intelligent people keep lingering on to an obviously flawed concept. Its asinine.

reasoning is something we do as humans, god is supposed something beyond that.

Nope. I don't follow.
How does god "go beyond" that? What does that even mean? Stop speaking in parables and vague language.

that's why people use "faith" and "belief" in reference to it.

faith is the excuse people have to believe in things they can't explain.

thats a really shytty through process.

that the problem with people who don't believe in god. because god doesn't compute with your reasoning it can't exist.

False. God doesn't compute because all of the things you assert "god" to be is actually explained through other methods.

Everything you used to call "god" is actually NOT "god" so you keep redefining shyt in the hopes that we'll never encroach on where you redraw the boundaries.

The point is that yuo need to PROVE your god isntead of asking your god to be disproven.

again saying that nothing can exist if you can't explain it makes a lot less sense than belief that there is at least one thing that can

Nope.

Its not about intuition or probability. Because we often discover things that challenge our assertions, so to keep relying on this is inherently flawed.

Proof matters.

Without it, you'll wildly speculating without care or caution to actually confirm anything.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

yea one rock out of god knows how many with life on it, yet only what we can observe and measure exists. we don't even have a frame of reference for science. we could still be primitive as fukk compared to other shyt and we wouldn't even know

COULD.

But of what we know, this is what we use.

Yet you have NEVER supported your notions for ANY deities...

Does that mean you're wrong?

No.

Does it mean your idea is any more reasonable though? Hell no.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You seem to believe that everyone who believes in God is some Bible Belt Moron who thinks science should be banished.

You're not helping that notion

Nobody said you needed a belief system to do these things... I said some belief systems encourage it.

Which doesn't matter since if its not unique to that system, then it can't be claimed as an arbiter of such a system.

Of course people were trying to figure things out before these belief systems ever even existed... and yes it's a marvelous thing. You're living under the false notion that because Myself and others who believe in God are some lazy fukks who challenge nothing because we have faith .

which is the paradox because yuo ARE inherently a lazy fukk.

Are you mad that i'm saying this?

Too bad.

If you keep living with the notion that you can just presuppose shyt without confirming it, then you are DE FACTO a lazy fukk. I don't care if you use rationality in 99% of your life, but that 1% makes you incredibly flawed and deeply refutes all efforts to make sincere inquiries into reality that you might attempt.

I'm a Muslim and the Qur'an tells me to challenge whatever it is I read and know about God.

Ironically, except the notion "god" itself.

You can't keep living on presuppositions that aren't themselves supported.

The difference between me and you is that the belief in God is the one thing I don't wait for us to substantiate for me to believe in.

Which is the flaw in your argument.

You're telling me what I get to do with faith now? shyt is fukking laughable... The Guidelines for me are very clear... you don't get to make the rules within which I operate.

Yet you violate the very guidelines you impose upon yourself.

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too bad animals and insects aren't in the field of science... they could've made things a lot easier... Again you didn't negate the shyt I said... you repeated it.

well we can look at their sensory organs and derive what they can be attenuated to.

Right now the most advanced field of science is pointing towards something external.. nobody cares if it makes you feel uncomfortable.

Its actually not. It'd just be more matter. Theres nothing supernatural about it.

False at one point I was an agnostic.. I went through some experiences and here I am...

Subjective experiences DO NOT represent substantial proof of a supernatural experience...it actuall speaks to your own narcissism and blatant selfishness to think you'd actually be so special as to encounter such an event.

but of course I'm sure you'd attribute that to delusions or something "chemical" lolz

I would actually, as has been demonstrated for close to 100 years now.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

This is why humanity will prove to be foolish and primitive, currently the more we explore the universe.

which says what about your god existing though?

 

[Mr. Somebody]

which says what about your god existing though?

To you not much.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

To you not much.

Another empty statement.

Why is it so hard for you to just prove your god exists, in the christian tradition no less?

 

[Mr. Somebody]

Another empty statement.

Why is it so hard for you to just prove your god exists, in the christian tradition no less?

I see proof all around me, you think its a conicidence. I cant make you see life through my eyes. Your heart has just been hardened to the Lord because of your proclivity towards demonic filth.

 

[BrothaZay]

I see proof all around me, you think its a conicidence. I cant make you see life through my eyes. Your heart has just been hardened to the Lord because of your proclivity towards demonic filth.

This.

My girlfriend was like these cats. She cursed God and hated him and didn't believe in him, until one day her aunt took her to church when she spent a night. When they called people up to the front, she decided to go. She said she felt a power and protection she never felt before and knew it was God.
Everytime she tells me the story im just like

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I see proof all around me, you think its a conicidence. I cant make you see life through my eyes. Your heart has just been hardened to the Lord because of your proclivity towards demonic filth.

What proof?

Lay it out for me.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

This.

My girlfriend was like these cats. She cursed God and hated him and didn't believe in him, until one day her aunt took her to church when she spent a night. When they called people up to the front, she decided to go. She said she felt a power and protection she never felt before and knew it was God.
Everytime she tells me the story im just like

Would have gotten the same feeling in a different church?

is it the notion of a sense of community she enjoys?

How do you know it was "god" and not something like a sense of inclusion into a group in the social sense?

 

[Why-Fi]

Because then you'd move the goalposts whenever we discern and discover that god isn't responsible for something.

You can't keep presupposing god, where god is revealed not to be.

Yet you keep doing it....

moving goal posts means to change your stance for whatever reason. I've had the same stance since I've been posting in this thread

my question to you is how do you discover god isn't responsible for something you can't explain? I can't explain it, all it know is that god didn't do it. how exactly do you prove that god is not somewhere?

if I'm telling you I believe in something I feel goes beyond your reasoning you're just going to continually frustrate yourself trying to reason with me about it.

proof matters well. so far I've not seen proof that all these components just appeared out of nowhere and started building themselves into other things.

 

[BrothaZay]

Would have gotten the same feeling in a different church?

is it the notion of a sense of community she enjoys?

How do you know it was "god" and not something like a sense of inclusion into a group in the social sense?

 

[Mr. Somebody]

What proof?

Lay it out for me.

We've had this discussion and it went nowhere friend. Im sorry.