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He meant wilsons career alltime vs rodgers career all time. Which btw, isnt even close
I know Russell Wilson only been in the league for 8 seasons and only has 1 ring...
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He meant wilsons career alltime vs rodgers career all time. Which btw, isnt even close
Tony D'Amato
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Luck made Luck irrelevantYoure still mad Russ made Luck irrelevant
getting in their ass during a game ... and chewing them out in the media is NOT the same thing broo..
murksiderock
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Stop it....
Rodgers vs Wilson is a lot closer than people care to admit. I mean, it's really close. I won't make a definitive statement either way but they are certainly both on that "next" GOAT tier after the unanimous GOATs (Montana, Brady, Manning in no order)...
Stop it...
I started watching in '99 and missed those guys too, but I'm a historian of the game so I consider myself pretty well versed on All-Timers...
Young only had 6 seasons that he even played 12 games, in a 15-year NFL career. He's a GOAT, but to put him over Russ is a little tacky. There are a ton of comparisons made between Young and Russ anyway, Russ is more like the reinvention Young except better...
No argument with Montana at all, at worst he's the 2nd best guy to play the position. At worst...
I can hear an argument for Marino off raw talent, but he wasn't the most accurate guy, so he loses to Russ there. And Russ has also done more with mediocre ancillary parts, Marino struggled more in big games too...
Marino is near the top of most talented ever, but when actually talking about the work he really put out there, he ain't a lock over Russ (or Rodgers)...
I know it's not in style for The Coliseum to salute GOATs that are still playing, but you're undervaluing Russ. Is he Top 5 ever? Nah, not at this point, that is a reach...
But in the last 20 years, I started watching in the '99 season, the only guys I'm definitively putting over him is Brady and Manning...and sure, I'll put Favre over him right now, because Favre played so long and was the undisputed best QB in the game at one point. He's got an argument with EVERYBODY else, no exceptions------>(no order)Rodgers, Warner, McNabb, Romo, Brees, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Ryan------>it is not a stretch to say Russ is potentially a Top 5 QB of the last 20 years...
So if you just look at The League in 20-year brackets, he's borderline Top 5 of the 2000-2019 era, who in other eras are clearly better?
1980-1999?
1960-1979?
And we know nobody is gonna consider anybody who played MOST of their career before '60 to be GOAT, so the real question here is, with Russ only in Year 8, how many quarterbacks of the last 60 years can you definitively say were better than him?
It ain't a lot. ....and he has a chance to catch everybody, being that he's only in Year 8...
marino wasn’t the most accurate
wtf are you talking about? You started watching the Nfl in Marino’s last year and making definitive statements about his career?I’m sorry but Russ is not Rodgers. That’s not a knock on Russ. Rodgers is the best QB I’ve ever seen and I’ve been watching the Nfl since the late 80’s
Rodgers, Marino, Montana, Manning, Brady are the 5 best Qb’s I’ve ever seen.
Good post
Favre was probably the best qb in 95 and 96. Dunno about the other years
murksiderock
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marino wasn’t the most accurate
I’m sorry but Russ is not Rodgers. That’s not a knock on Russ. Rodgers is the best QB I’ve ever seen and I’ve been watching the Nfl since the late 80’s
Rodgers, Marino, Montana, Manning, Brady are the 5 best Qb’s I’ve ever seen.
The accuracy comment was a mistake, I was thinking about someone else (Elway). That's my bad...
When it comes to Rodgers, having watched both of them in real time at the same time, the eye test tells me Peak Rodgers had the stronger arm, but outside of that? Both are elevators of average to mediocre talent around them, both are fearless in pressure situations, both have unbelievable playmaking skills, both have excellent downfield vision. One guy has had a tendency to take too many sacks (Russ), the other guy has a tendency to throw it away more which means empty downs (Rodgers). Both can be pinpoint accurate, neither turn the ball over alot, etc...
The eye test has told me they are on an even playing field. But you know how this goes, Aaron is older and it would be insincere to act like they are at the same exact point if their careers, to properly evaluate guys you gotta gauge them at the same time period of their careers. So, Aaron didn't start until Year 4, so we're really comparing his first 8 years as a starter to Russ thru Year 8, and see what the numbers tell you:
Rodgers (2008-2015 season)
80-39 record (.672), 7-6 playoffs (.538)
4x NFC North champion (2011-2014)
1-0 Super Bowl, 1-1 NFC Championship
(Per 16 games statline)
104.6 passer rating, 65.1% comp, 4312 yards, 34:9 td:int(6.4:1.6), 8 ypa, 269.5 ypg
(Playoffs)
97.3 passer rating, 63.8% comp, 265.7 ypg, 27:8 TD/int (5.8:1.7), 7.4 ypa
*Keep in mind there is still 4 games left in Russ' Year 8, and a playoff berth, so all of his numbers will increase. But this is based thru the first 12 games of his Year 8:
Russ (2012-2019)
85-38-1 (.685), 8-5 playoffs (.615)
3x NFC West champ (2013-2014, 2016)
1-1 Super Bowl, 2-0 NFC Championship
(Per 16 games)
101.5 passer rating, 64.6% comp, 3716 yards, 29:9 Td/into (6.1:1.8), 7.9 ypa, 232.3 ypg
(Playoffs)
94.9 passer rating, 62% comp, 231.5 ypg, 21:11 Td/int (5.8:3), 8.3 ypa
murksiderock
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So the numbers bare out an eerily similar statline. I'll give this, Aaron is leading in all the stats, so he probably was a better quarterback thru 8 years of starting--->but he damn sure isnt leading the statistical argument in a landslide, so to any extent you can say Aaron is better, it ain't by much...
Aaron is 4 football years older than Russ, as a starter, it is entirely conceivable Russ could be better in Year 12 than Aaron is as a Year 12 starter this year...
But everything my eyes have shown me to this point, while at this time you'd probably say Peak Aaron was better than Peak Russ, the separation is marginal...
You said Rodgers is the best QB you've ever seen, and when I hear guys say that, I always wonder how guys forgot about Peyton Manning. Manning is the best QB I've ever seen, peak-for-peak and prime-for-prime, and the effortlessness with which he picked defenses apart was in a class it's own. Manning gets knocked down the All-Time ranks, and rightfully so, because too often his regular season play didn't translate to the playoffs. If he was closer to the QB he was in the regular season he'd be the runaway GOAT #1 and it wouldn't be particularly close...
So no, Aaron isnt better than Manning, and I always find it odd the agenda to place him on Manning's level, and i don't mind discussing this point further at all...
Aaron Rodgers is "one" of the best QBs I've ever seen. So is Russell Wilson. Any assertion that Aaron is more than marginally better at the position than Russ isnt supported by the stats, the results, or the eye test, so people are gonna have to explain how Aaron is better than Russ is you're saying it's by more than a slight margin...
So the numbers bare out an eerily similar statline. I'll give this, Aaron is leading in all the stats, so he probably was a better quarterback thru 8 years of starting--->but he damn sure isnt leading the statistical argument in a landslide, so to any extent you can say Aaron is better, it ain't by much...
Aaron is 4 football years older than Russ, as a starter, it is entirely conceivable Russ could be better in Year 12 than Aaron is as a Year 12 starter this year...
But everything my eyes have shown me to this point, while at this time you'd probably say Peak Aaron was better than Peak Russ, the separation is marginal...
You said Rodgers is the best QB you've ever seen, and when I hear guys say that, I always wonder how guys forgot about Peyton Manning. Manning is the best QB I've ever seen, peak-for-peak and prime-for-prime, and the effortlessness with which he picked defenses apart was in a class it's own. Manning gets knocked down the All-Time ranks, and rightfully so, because too often his regular season play didn't translate to the playoffs. If he was closer to the QB he was in the regular season he'd be the runaway GOAT #1 and it wouldn't be particularly close...
So no, Aaron isnt better than Manning, and I always find it odd the agenda to place him on Manning's level, and i don't mind discussing this point further at all...
Aaron Rodgers is "one" of the best QBs I've ever seen. So is Russell Wilson. Any assertion that Aaron is more than marginally better at the position than Russ isnt supported by the stats, the results, or the eye test, so people are gonna have to explain how Aaron is better than Russ is you're saying it's by more than a slight margin...
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Peyton manning is the GOAT regular season QB. Dude was avg as fukk in the playoffs and down right garbage in his last SB run. What does that say about your eye test?
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YOU said he's the best QB YOU ever saw and started watching the NFL in 99. That's all that needs to be said. You did not watch during the golden era of QBs. The league has changed a lot in the last 25 years and you wouldn't even know it.
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How are Rodgers and Brees vastly superior to Wilson?
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Lmao jesus christ
I hope folks aren't using passing yards and TDs thrown as some sort of metric when basing judgment.
With the exception of recent years he's always been in a run heavy offense.
Him and Rogers are 1 and 2 all time QBR.
There isn't a thing in the game Rogers has done that Russ can't.
While playing behind power forwards, converted D-linemen and throwing to WR's that otherwise wouldn't be starting elsewhere.
Besides run a play at the 1 yard line his coach called that shell shocked everybody and workhorse said to roll with and fail.
There you go @Bboystylez
With the exception of recent years he's always been in a run heavy offense.
Him and Rogers are 1 and 2 all time QBR.
There isn't a thing in the game Rogers has done that Russ can't.
While playing behind power forwards, converted D-linemen and throwing to WR's that otherwise wouldn't be starting elsewhere.
Besides run a play at the 1 yard line his coach called that shell shocked everybody and workhorse said to roll with and fail.
There you go @Bboystylez