I made $9.28 total working 70 hours as a bartender- broad

[Shadow King]

Nah, it is comparable. You're just full of shyt and don't want to admit it. I am talking about a common situation where the consumer is not expected to take responsibility for the person earning a living wage.

If you want to get technical about things, you can argue that consumers are more culpable for buying goods that exploit the poor labour laws in developing countries. Morally, their condition is worse and the opportunities available are more limited.



The bottom line is you're a hypocrite.

I can comment on this freely. I actually live in the UK where tipping is not an expectation because waiters are paid, at least, minimum wage.

You have demonstrated your hypocrisy when bending your back to explain away why you don't take the same approach towards products that exploit labour laws in developing countries.

Well everyone doesn't live in the UK. So now you've exposed that you're speaking on a portion of an economy for a country you don't even live in.

Get rid of your Samsung then since you feel this strongly about what Southeast Asians are paid to make your phone.

You're full of shyt comparing American dollars being paid in these developing countries versus virtually the same amount being paid in the US itself. You don't know the stories of why some Americans work in a service industry with such a business model even without a guarantee. So maybe you can't comment as freely as you think.

 

[Shadow King]

I always give generous tips when I eat at restaurants. Hell I've had family and women I've dated say I'm too generous with the tips but I don't care. In this case, which I think is ducktales anyways, needs to seek employment elsewhere or have a serious talk with his boss. Ain't no way you working 70+ hours and only make $9!

Yeah she's capping. She didn't bartend for 70 hours and take home $9.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

Hopefully Joe Biden can change things for the better

It's not just "Joe Biden". This is the dumbest way of looking at government. Learn the Kristen Sinema and Joe Manchin and figure out why the 15$ minimum wage hasn't happened yet

 

[Umoja]

Well everyone doesn't live in the UK. So now you've exposed that you're speaking on a portion of an economy for a country you don't even live in.

Get rid of your Samsung then since you feel this strongly about what Southeast Asians are paid to make your phone.

You're full of shyt comparing American dollars being paid in these developing countries versus virtually the same amount being paid in the US itself. You don't know the stories of why some Americans work in a service industry with such a business model even without a guarantee. So maybe you can't comment as freely as you think.

No, you're full of shyt and you know it.

It is a basic principle. The consumer buys from the vendor. The vendor employs someone to assist with the distribution.

The consumer's relationship is not with the employees. If you want to argue that he is under a moral obligation to ensure the employee is earning a living wage, you must apply that concept to every other profession that exploits its workers to keep hold of the profit.

If looking to a different country is too much for you, why don't you focus on Amazon. Do you tip the person delivering your packages to ensure they're not busting their back to make ends meet?

You are a hypocrite. In addition to being a hypocrite, you are a small minded idiot.

 

[Luke Cage]

Tipping is why his boss is able to get away with paying him 9 bucks for 70 hours. shyt works both ways. If he wants to avoid days like this from happening he should demand a fair wage instead relying on charity. Tips are a gamble

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

Always found it crazy how the onus is put on the customer and not the employer

same scam that is passed on regular folk. that they are broke because of other broke people and not because of how flagrantly disproportionate wealth distribution is. CEOs making millions of dollars in quarterly bonuses meanwhile people on twitter opposing raise for minimum earners

this planet

Dumbest fukking country on Earth and many of the dumbass citizens just eat that propaganda slop up like pigs. Who do these people think pay for the propaganda that results in them saying this dumb "Find another job" or "don't support the business" bullshyt.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

Tipping is why his boss is able to get away with paying him 9 bucks for 70 hours. shyt works both ways. If he wants to avoid days like this from happening he should demand a fair wage instead relying on charity. Tips are a gamble

I'm going to bed

 

[Shadow King]

No, you're full of shyt and you know it.

It is a basic principle. The consumer buys from the vendor. The vendor employs someone to assist with the distribution.

The consumer's relationship is not with the employees. If you want to argue that he is under a moral obligation to ensure the employee is earning a living wage, you must apply that concept to every other profession that exploits its workers to keep hold of the profit.

If looking to a different country is too much for you, why don't you focus on Amazon. Do you tip the person delivering your packages to ensure they're not busting their back to make ends meet?

You are a hypocrite. In addition to being a hypocrite, you are a small minded idiot.

No, you are full of shyt and you know it.

You don't live in this country and deal with this economy, stop commenting.

Amazon pays $15 at minimum which is liveable in many portions of the US though not all. Different from knowing a restaurant doesn't pay a person's wage but thinking it's good to come in to the restaurant and paying them while letting the person who provides your service get nothing.

I'm the hypocrite but who brought up their phone being made in a third world country while arguing this down? Nor did I place responsibility on a class of workers that needs the jobs they have to jeopardize said jobs while not even existing in the same economy. I KNOW for a fact I'm not the hypocrite or small minded idiot here. Come live in the States and chuck the phone you typing on then talk to me.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

No, you are full of shyt and you know it.

You don't live in this country and deal with this economy, stop commenting.

Amazon pays $15 at minimum which is liveable in many portions of the US though not all. Different from knowing a restaurant doesn't pay a person's wage but thinking it's good to come in to the restaurant and paying them while letting the person who provides your service get nothing.

I'm the hypocrite but who brought up their phone being made in a third world country while arguing this down? Nor did I place responsibility on a class of workers that needs the jobs they have to jeopardize said jobs while not even existing in the same economy. I KNOW for a fact I'm not the hypocrite or small minded idiot here. Come live in the States and chuck the phone you typing on then talk to me.

The is very very Debatable. Most places with a very large service industry you're working poor on this salary. Calling 15$ an hour livable is a stretch and don't give me some dumb story about yourself or someone you know making it work. I don't give a shyt, the large majority barely make it work with no real chance of improving their standing.

 

[Pseudonym]

Or they can look for better jobs.

Right?

They can be an LPN in 9 months or work at any other place without tips. I made more money than that at 17 in HS.


You can’t change other people's motivation. AND if it’s bad service, no tip , lo siento mamí









sometimes these SM people don’t say that they’ve quit 20 jobs, got fired from 30, and have no references or education, but are mad when they have to work off tips...


I’m not saying this is the case for everyone in this position, just my experience

 

[Ski Mask]

They can make all the sob stories they want im not responsible for your bills getting paid. I tip when i want and can to.

its fukkin ironic as hell seeing people beg for tips calling others broke.

 

[TallMan_J]

That’s fukked up. I always tip (if the service is decent at the bare minimum) especially during these times. From barbers to Uber drivers. I even tip for carry out.


I always try to put myself in their shoes. How would I feel if I was a server? I’m blessed enough to where I don’t have to serve people, and I don’t take it for granted. I don’t like people in general, so I dread that industry.

I also despise entitlement though. Some serves have an issue with that.

 

[Shadow King]

The is very very Debatable. Most places with a very large service industry you're working poor on this salary. Calling 15$ an hour livable is a stretch and don't give me some dumb story about yourself or someone you know making it work. I don't give a shyt the large majority barely make it work with no real chance of improving their standing.

It is debatable, but it really does depend on where you are. The South and Midwest, $15 is fine unless you're trying to live in the heart of their biggest cities, at least if you're single and have no children. In the Northeast (where I am) and West Coast that's nothing.

Right?

They can be an LPN in 9 months or work at any other place without tips. I made more money than that at 17 in HS.


You can’t change other people's motivation. AND if it’s bad service, no tip , lo siento mamí









sometimes these SM people don’t say that they’ve quit 20 jobs, got fired from 30, and have no references or education

Everybody cannot be a LPN and you know that. She's capping but it's interesting seeing people with the ration behind being anti-tipping as if there's not a system/cycle that'll run regardless, albeit a broken one.

 

[Umoja]

No, you are full of shyt and you know it.

You don't live in this country and deal with this economy, stop commenting.

Amazon pays $15 at minimum which is liveable in many portions of the US though not all. Different from knowing a restaurant doesn't pay a person's wage but thinking it's good to come in to the restaurant and paying them while letting the person who provides your service get nothing.

I'm the hypocrite but who brought up their phone being made in a third world country while arguing this down? Nor did I place responsibility on a class of workers that needs the jobs they have to jeopardize said jobs while not even existing in the same economy. I KNOW for a fact I'm not the hypocrite or small minded idiot here. Come live in the States and chuck the phone you typing on then talk to me.

You're a hypocrite who no longer has a leg to stand on. I said what I had to say on the matter. You decided to challenge it on some "Think about the employee" shyt.

My response was that if it was a concern, I wouldn't have a Samsung. That doesn't make me a hypocrite. It makes me consistent. Ultimately, people don't concern themselves with the labour that goes into the products they consume.

You can argue that this mentality is worse when that labour relies on exploiting the lax laws in developing countries. But your stupid ass is trying to wave it off as not being the same.

It makes you a hypocrite. You cannot talk up the need to consider someone you have not entered into a contract with, whilst acting as though that consideration should not be present in a situation where the conditions are worse.

At the end of the day, it boils down to this. The employee does not have an agreement with the consumer. If the employee is unhappy with the money they have received, they should take their grievances up with the person they entered into an agreement with, their employer.

There is a reason why they don't demand a stable salary to replace tips and that's because they prefer to gamble on people's generosity. It is their perogative, the same way it is their issue when that gamble does not pay off.

 

[Pseudonym]

You're a hypocrite who no longer has a leg to stand on. I said what I had to say on the matter. You decided to challenge it on some "Think about the employee" shyt.

My response was that if it was a concern, I wouldn't have a Samsung. That doesn't make me a hypocrite. It makes me consistent. Ultimately, people don't concern themselves with the labour that goes into the products they consume.

You can argue that this mentality is worse when that labour relies on exploiting the lax laws in developing countries. But your stupid ass is trying to wave it off as not being the same.

It makes you a hypocrite. You cannot talk up the need to consider someone you have not entered into a contract with, whilst acting as though that consideration should not be present in a situation where the conditions are worse.

At the end of the day, it boils down to this. The employee does not have an agreement with the consumer. If the employee is unhappy with the money they have received, they should take their grievances up with the person they entered into an agreement with, their employer.

There is a reason why they don't demand a stable salary to replace tips and that's because they prefer to gamble on people's generosity. It is their perogative, the same way it is their issue when that gamble does not pay off.

huh