I need to address 2 specific talking points about HAKEEM OLAJUWON...

[Bumblebee]

Nah breh, we aren't entertaining trolling tomfoolery like this.

Yes you will.

 

[Jplaya2023]

the 03 spurs and 94 rockets were pretty much 1 man bands.

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

Theyre not bums, theyre solid role players. He didnt have a legit sidekick like all the other superstar players who were making noise in the playoffs

Malone had stockton
barkley had kj
kemp had payton
Hakeem had kenny smith

You cant name a player in the past 20 years who won a title with less help than hakeem had

excluding the 04 pistons because they're a complete outlier....nobody had less single individual help than hakeem. agreed. but when you go deeper or look at starting 5s? Malone had stockton....ostertag? Byron Russel?
Peyton had kemp....and the ghosts of sam perkins and detlef...
barkley had kj and hornacek....and dan majerle?

4 and 5 deep hakeem had help as compared to his peers............who beat him in the playoffs

 

[Goatpoacher]

You draft players based off what they can potentially be - you cant always account for work ethic, determination, injuries, etc

That has nothing to do with comparing guys that you played against for over a decade

So, MJ's opinions only matter as to players he played against in his prime for a substantial number of years? Got it :JJ:

Point is, MJ's opinion is not dispositive on the issue. If MJ would honestly take Hakeem over Shaq, then I would question his judgment.

Shaq was the last player to beat MJ in the playoffs :JJ:

 

[Brozay]

Shaq was the last player to beat MJ in the playoffs :JJ:

and got his ass swept the following year

 

[Houston911]

So, MJ's opinions only matter as to players he played against in his prime for a substantial number of years? Got it :JJ:

Point is, MJ's opinion is not dispositive on the issue. If MJ would honestly take Hakeem over Shaq, then I would question his judgment.

Shaq was the last player to beat MJ in the playoffs :JJ:

Thats fine, but kwame brown is irrelevant

You might draft karl towns with the 1st pick

If towns ends up being a bust that doesnt mean you cant speak on steph curry vs russell Westbrook

 

[Goatpoacher]

and got his ass swept the following year

Because MJ didn't have enough help and had to get Rodman

Still, beating MJ in the playoffs has to mean something?

 

[Goatpoacher]

Thats fine, but kwame brown is irrelevant

You might draft karl towns with the 1st pick

If towns ends up being a bust that doesnt mean you cant speak on steph curry vs russell Westbrook

Maybe, but MJ has always had questionable opinions on other players. I'm still not sure why he dumped Rip Hamilton.

 

[Brozay]

Because MJ didn't have enough help and had to get Rodman

Still, beating MJ in the playoffs has to mean something?

Mike only lost to great teams in the playoffs, so

 

[MJ Truth]

He was rusty coming back halfway in the season off baseball...

Yeah, sure he was (looked real rusty dropping 55 on the Knicks)... And even if he was, so fukking what? If youre playing and you're healthy, no excuses.

 

[King Poetic]

top 5 from anyone

Top 10 of course

 

[Goatpoacher]

What's really troubling about the Hakeem nostalgia is that it really seems that he's being placed over Wilt, Kareem, Shaq just because he had nice moves. All his history prior to (and proceeding) his two Finals are written away. It's alot like how Dirk is getting overrated since he won a Finals.

He was in GodMode for two years. Appreciate for what it was, don't extend it to something else.

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

What's really troubling about the Hakeem nostalgia is that it really seems that he's being placed over Wilt, Kareem, Shaq just because he had nice moves. All his history prior to (and proceeding) his two Finals are written away. It's alot like how Dirk is getting overrated since he won a Finals.

He was in GodMode for two years. Appreciate for what it was, don't extend it to something else.

100% agreed

 

[feelosofer]

Also if Ralph Sampson didn't go down in 87, he'd probably have another ring or two. Them two were combining for 75 points some games.

 

[Floyd Pinkerton]

the 03 spurs and 94 rockets were pretty much 1 man bands.

Low points of the last 25 years in league history