I never understood why people believed Gillie wrote Carter 1.

[nieman]

And this is how you should know he’s bullshytting (outside of changing his story everytime he told it and being caught in boldface lies)…that is gillie in ‘06, saying he wrote for Wayne in ‘04, performatively trying to sound like Wayne in ‘06…he was going on 3 years removed from any connection to Cash Money at that point, and you recognize the difference between C1 Wayne and the version of Wayne he’s trying to sound like there

To answer the OP’s question, people believed it because

1. Regional bias. Rap smarks back then didn’t give southern rappers credit for much…so when Wayne started ascending and being acknowledged as the potentially one of the nicest out, it was comforting to just attribute it all to some random magical bum c-list east coast rapper who was around him at some point

2. People were late to following Wayne. Wayne’s progression as a rapper is one of the most transparent ever because he has one of the most expansive mixtape and “unofficial” (leaked) discographies ever. To put it in grade school terms, “he showed his work”…you can trace every progression of his style damn near every step of the way. From the Sqad tapes to the Droughts to the Prequel to the Dedications…it’s like having game film of a NBA player practicing in the summer and seeing him break out the same moves when the season starts…the shyt is all documented

And to Gillie’s credit…or lack thereof..:his shyt is documented too…it’s just when these convos come up, people never post what Gillie sounded like in real time when he was supposedly writing the entire Carter 1…and it’s because he was just some generic east coast mixtape rapper that was nothing special…he has whole mixtapes during that era sounding like struggle versions of Jay mixed with fab, and Wayne is on them with the same flow he had on Carter 1 and the mixtapes before and after…outshining him




Meanwhile at the same exact Wayne was dropping full tapes every other month for free with the Carter 1 flow already fully developed



In all reality Wayne was nicer than Gillie ever was as like a 17 year old kid…but because he’s from the south, one of the generational talents in rap, he needed some generic east coast Jay-Z knock off to create his style…when whole time his 1st hand Jay Z impression was already way better

We were saying it back in '01-'02 when Wayne first started changing up his style. Block Is Hot Wayne don't sound nothing like 500 Degreez...and that's where he started to sound like GDK. The general public didn't even catch wind of it until AFTER Gillie has already left Cash Money. Most of y'all didn't even hear of Gillie until dude wasn't a rapper.

This ain't Gillie? Cmon now.

 

[Why-Fi]

i heard an interview a long time ago where he said birdman would give people 20 dollars at a time to get food, to the point it made them feel like they were begging. same interview he detailed how birdman approached him over and over to write for wayne giving him 10000 each time. id have no idea how to find that now, it was an audio interview

i didnt even know it was a point of contention until reading this thread. to answer the op 12 years later thats why i believed it

 

[Long Live The Kane]

We were saying it back in '01-'02 when Wayne first started changing up his style. Block Is Hot Wayne don't sound nothing like 500 Degreez...and that's where he started to sound like GDK. The general public didn't even catch wind of it until AFTER Gillie has already left Cash Money. Most of y'all didn't even hear of Gillie until dude wasn't a rapper.

This ain't Gillie? Cmon now.

This is hilarious because we’ve been having this discussion since SOHH…and back then people were bringing up 500 Degreez as an example of how wack Wayne was before Gillie signed to Cash Money and that C1 being better was because of him….and I was the one saying he’s actually been using that style for years, it started on the SQ tapes and you can hear it on 500 Degreez…NOW Gillie is responsible for Wayne evolving all the way back to 2001, years before he was around at all …and another poster is saying he’s responsible for the ‘07 Drought 3 era years after he left…and yet somehow both ignore tracks of them TOGETHER showing how they sounded when he was actually there (Wayne sounding like he did before and after, and Gillie with his choppy dab/jigga struggle flow)

The reality is that every step of Wayne’s progression as a rapper is transparent for all to see because he’s literally one of the most prolific rappers ever and all of his “practice film” is readily available to anyone…. I’m someone that was listening to the shyt in real time…listened to the block is hot, which sounded nothing like Lights Out…listened to the dozens of tapes he put out before and after 500 Degreez and C1 where he developed the style you’re describing now….Sqad 1-7, the Prefix, the Drought 1, the scrapped original version of C1 with all the Sqad members on it…it’s all there…in chronological order…all stylistically consistent and you see the progression from joint to joint…and people just shrug that off and attribute it all to generic average ass dime a dozen Gillie like he was some kinda rap sensai and not just some random failed mixtape rapper …his material is all out there too, like the track I posted…but they don’t ever get discussed in these threads cause them shyts trash and make the argument silly…he was writing classics for Wayne while putting out his trash Appettizer joints out for the hell of it

 

[Smokin Rider]

Being able to make your own stuff does not mean you didn’t get help/stole your flow before. You know drake wrote “I’m single” for Wayne right?
Wayne’s best time period, drought 3 and that time before, was influenced by gillie. His flow came from gillie. He was using Philly slang on album material. Anything else is stuck on Stan dikkriding.

I never said he wasnt influenced by his style but yall said he wrote for him, now you moving the goal posts when no one denied that in an effort to be right about something. Cornball behavior