I've already said that there's the slightest of margins between the two. The fact that you've got muh'fukkas believing that MJ could average 45 in this day and age is all the evidence you need that a proper discussion will never take place.Only because this thread is lacking Bron stans
I played in both eras, I played against both of them. Jordan is the #GOAT - Ray Allen
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Amazing... a thread fulla cats who think anybody gives a fukk what they think on this topic, Juelzing about how their opinion means more than that of actual, former players with firsthand knowledge and experience. 
When are y'all dumbass muh'fukkas ever gonna realize that this talking point doesn't make sense?Amazing... a thread fulla cats who think anybody gives a fukk what they think on this topic, Juelzing about how their opinion means more than that of actual, former players with firsthand knowledge and experience.
I AM WE ARE
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Honestly,I believe there's some smart ass Non basketball playing computer nerd that's done a stimulation of them against each other mj vs lbj both in their primes and just hasn't released it to the public
you said only a "legion of trolls" insert Kobe into the GOAT debate.....but actual NBA players insert Kobe into the goat debate all the time including the GOAT MJ himself....
so stfu
he averaged 37 ppg one season and averaged 30 for his career
do you actually think the goat scorer couldn't pop another 10-15 a game
Mason quartermaine
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With this one its different given what jordan represents vs who lebron is trying to beEvery sport argues who is better. Take the militant shyt somewhere else
Better defenders than Klay Thompson. Imagine Draymond guarding the paint against MJ
Do you not realize why he was shooting 50%?
Lebrons numbers are inflated and overrated when it comes to the finals.
Like besides game 1 this year they’ve had no impact on the outcome of games. When the spurs destroyed in 2014 his numbers had no impact.
Say his name. Who was the primary defender on MJ when he faced Utah.
seemorecizzy
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late 80s early 90s jordan could avg 45 in this league broJordan is not averaging 45ppgDo nikkas really know basketball or are they living in an alternate reality. I’d give him 40ppg though.
And Bron doesn’t have the resume to be called better than Mike but he’s damn close. And keeping it a buck there’s things he flat does better than Mike did...not the mention he’s faced better comp.
Like if Lebron wins 2 more this convo might be legit because Lebron is the better overall player. But no one has Mike’s resume so it is what is
Bilz
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The media has been begging for the Kobe vs Jordan debate since 1997 so please get all the way the fukk out of here with that nonsense. This isn't a Kobe appreciation thread, there are already thousands of those so rattling off random stats is a waste of time. To truly be in the goat conversation, he would have had to meet or exceed Jordan and he didn't do that.
I rank Jordan ahead of everyone else but guys like Kareem and LeBron inspire more of a debate because of their physical differences. Kobe was extremely similar to Jordan in size and style and was not as good. Nothing to debate.
Based on what, exactly?
Some of ya'all make no sense. Jordan never even broke 33.6ppg in the expansion-era 1990s, but he could average 45ppg in a much tougher era? 
Jordan peaked at 37ppg in the no-defense 1980s. Let's compare:
1980s: pace varied from 100-103
2010s: pace varied from 91-97
1980s: teams shoot 28-30 free throws
2010s: teams shoot 21-24 free throws
Not to mention that Jordan played 40.4 minutes/game in 1988. LeBron led the league with just 36.9 minutes/game in 2018, because players run more on both ends than they used to and injuries are way up.
Not to mention that defense was FAR worse in the 1980s.
So Jordan averaged about 35ppg in the late 1980s....but now with fewer minutes, fewer free throws, playing at a slower pace, against better defenders, he's gonna average 10ppg more.
Ya'all don't live in reality.
In 1987 and 1988 the Denver Nuggets averaged 117ppg just making fast breaks all game and were only 4th in the NBA in scoring. Guys like Blair Rasmussen and Danny Schayes were scoring damn near 15ppg each for that team. The average team was getting 110ppg in 1987 without even shooting threes.
And for the ultimate proof....what should be the #1 hardest defense of the whole year? Game 7 of the Finals, right? The two best teams playing in the biggest game of the biggest series...and this is what it looked like:
Uncontested hook shots from 3 feet away. Wide open jumpers. Guys being backed in with no resistance. Random-ass doubling and confusion all over the defensive side. Fast break after fast break, not just on turnovers but even on just regular rebounds. Lakers scored 20 fast break points in the first half alone.
That's the era ya'all are propping up as so much tougher to score than this one.
Jordan peaked at 37ppg in the no-defense 1980s. Let's compare:
1980s: pace varied from 100-103
2010s: pace varied from 91-97
1980s: teams shoot 28-30 free throws
2010s: teams shoot 21-24 free throws
Not to mention that Jordan played 40.4 minutes/game in 1988. LeBron led the league with just 36.9 minutes/game in 2018, because players run more on both ends than they used to and injuries are way up.
Not to mention that defense was FAR worse in the 1980s.
So Jordan averaged about 35ppg in the late 1980s....but now with fewer minutes, fewer free throws, playing at a slower pace, against better defenders, he's gonna average 10ppg more.
Ya'all don't live in reality.
In 1987 and 1988 the Denver Nuggets averaged 117ppg just making fast breaks all game and were only 4th in the NBA in scoring. Guys like Blair Rasmussen and Danny Schayes were scoring damn near 15ppg each for that team. The average team was getting 110ppg in 1987 without even shooting threes.
And for the ultimate proof....what should be the #1 hardest defense of the whole year? Game 7 of the Finals, right? The two best teams playing in the biggest game of the biggest series...and this is what it looked like:
Uncontested hook shots from 3 feet away. Wide open jumpers. Guys being backed in with no resistance. Random-ass doubling and confusion all over the defensive side. Fast break after fast break, not just on turnovers but even on just regular rebounds. Lakers scored 20 fast break points in the first half alone.
That's the era ya'all are propping up as so much tougher to score than this one.
He was the GOAT scorer because he could average 37ppg one year....not because he could mythically average 10 more than that.
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Drip Bayless
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This shyt like discussing rap with old heads
I just had an OG tell me rappers never got caught lacking back in the day cause they was all living they raps
Same way nikkas be talking bout how Jordan would average 45+
Jordan ain’t scoring 45 ppg stop it...
If you want an idea of what Jordan would do in this league look at prime Kobe. They are basically the same fukking dude. Jordan’s production would be pretty similar. 45 a game is just over the top unrealistic.
If you want an idea of what Jordan would do in this league look at prime Kobe. They are basically the same fukking dude. Jordan’s production would be pretty similar. 45 a game is just over the top unrealistic.
Roland Coltrane
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I always laugh when the media hype boys are surprised or flustered when guys that actually played vs both Lebron and MJ say Jordan is the GOAT. Patrick tried to get Ray to, but Ray wasn't budging.
there are just a few guys that can say they played vs both Lebron and Jordan. Paul and Ray Allen both say Jordan is the #GOAT.
Ray also says MJ would average 45 a game today, in his prime. Alonzo Mourning and Phil Jackson have both said the same. these are guys that actually played in both eras
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