I played in both eras, I played against both of them. Jordan is the #GOAT - Ray Allen

[Supreme365]

There is no one in today's league who is as good as Michael Jordan, so you saying arguably sounds like you don't like him or something

Bron and kd are on par

Mj is the goat but Kareem and bron are just as good if not better

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Dantley regularly averaged 30 ppg during the 80s (with a skillset that doesn't come close to the likes of LeBron, Curry, Durant etc), and muh'fukkas really believe that MJ was playing during an era with some Medieval-type defenses. I dare folks to watch this clip in its entirety and tell me this ain't some bum ass defense.

This dude was one of the best scorers all throughout the 80s, and defenses were giving him a shooting cushion INSIDE of the arc on the regular. And this is the era y'all wanna crown for its defense?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

So you pick a playoff series against a team that had a DPOY center and one of the best perimeter defenders of all time and at 25 KD still averaged 29 and 9

Kd would destroy anything moving in the 80’s and 90’s him and me would be trading scoring titles

Defense wasn’t tougher, D didn’t get really physical and slow until the mid 90’s you’ll always talk about isiah Thomas averaging 30 but seem to forget that 5’9 160 lbs Michael adams averaged 26

And here's @CHICAGO saying that Durant would only average 27 back then.

 

[CHICAGO]

MJ's FG% most probably wouldn't be anywhere near 50, because naturally, he'd be shooting more 3-pointers (thus dropping his FG%, which as I mentioned earlier isn't the best measurement of efficiency), and against better defenses.

LMAO I CAN TELL YOU NEVER PLAYED BALL.

IF MJ TOOK 6 THREES A GAME
HE WOULD SHOOT THEM BETTER.

nikkaS KEEP TALKING ABOUT DEFENSES
LIKE CURRY, BRON, KD, HARDEN ETC
DONT RUN THE PICK AND ROLL
AND WIND UP WITH A MISMATCH
DAMN NEAR EVERY POSITION.

JORDAN PLAYING IN THIS CURRENT LEAGUE
WITH BIGS TRYING TO SWITCH OUT ON HIM
WOULD BE HILARIOUS.

I SAW BRON SCORE 50 PTS IN THE FINALS
ON SWITCHES ALL fukkING GAME.

MJ WOULD AVERAGE 40 EASY IN THIS PICK AND ROLL LEAGUE.

SURROUND HIM WITH SHOOTERS
AND ITS OVER.

So you pick a playoff series against a team that had a DPOY center and one of the best perimeter defenders of all time and at 25 KD still averaged 29 and 9

Kd would destroy anything moving in the 80’s and 90’s him and me would be trading scoring titles

Defense wasn’t tougher, D didn’t get really physical and slow until the mid 90’s you’ll always talk about isiah Thomas averaging 30 but seem to forget that 5’9 160 lbs Michael adams averaged 26

STOP SPEAKING ON PPL YOU DIDNT SEE PLAY.

HE SHOT 39%
DENVER RAN A GIMMICK OFFENSE,
THAT SEASON,
WERE THE WORSE TEAM IN THE NBA.

NUMBER 1 SCORING TEAM IN THE LEAGUE
AND GOT OUTSCORED BY 11PTS A GAME.

THE EPITOME OF PADDING STATS ON A GARBAGE TEAM.

MEAN WHILE I.T. HAD THE NUMBER 1 SEED
AND MADE THE ECF.



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[Remote]

First they deny it.
Then they say he's good.
Then they say he's great but not the best.
Then they'll say he was the best all along.

Currently Stage 3 for Lebron James.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

LMAO I CAN TELL YOU NEVER PLAYED BALL.

IF MJ TOOK 6 THREES A GAME
HE WOULD SHOOT THEM BETTER.
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Shoot them better than 38%?



So despite MJ playing during a time where the 3-pointer was considered a bad shot, and defenses didn't defend it, MJ would just automatically DOUBLE the amount of 3-pt shots he usually takes, against defenses actually defending them and he'd complete them at an even greater rate?

Lord have mercy.

nikkaS KEEP TALKING ABOUT DEFENSES
LIKE CURRY, BRON, KD, HARDEN ETC
DONT RUN THE PICK AND ROLL
AND WIND UP WITH A MISMATCH
DAMN NEAR EVERY POSITION.
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And yet it's still better than the defenses of the 80s. Go figure.



Nobody in the right mind would believe that Durant would only average 27 against those type of defenses. Not when a muh'fukka averaged 30 with a skillset that pales in comparison to Durant's.

JORDAN PLAYING IN THIS CURRENT LEAGUE
WITH BIGS TRYING TO SWITCH OUT ON HIM
WOULD BE HILARIOUS.

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You mean in the same sense that it would be hilarious for Durant to play in a pre-zone NBA, where he would be free to go 1v1 against players who were either too short, too slow or both to stop him? How long do you think it'd take defenses to actually guard Durant when he'd pull-up from behind the arc on every possession?



Durant would treat the 80s like it was cotdamn Rucker Park every night.

 

[Bigblackted4]

What do you think Jordan could average in the league today, and what do you think Durant could average during the late 80s/early 90s?

This should be interesting.

Does Durant take the same mindset into the 80s shooting threes and is he not moved to power forward where he has to get beat up

 

[Hacksaw Jim Thuggin]

nikkas dont get tired of this?

everyone has an opinion

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Does Durant take the same mindset into the 80s shooting threes and is he not moved to power forward where he has to get beat up

We take Durant as he is now, with all the knowledge, developmental framework, training/conditioning/diet, skillset/ability etc. And please, stop overrating the physicality of that era, we don't need to keep going through those footprints in the sand.

 

[En Sabah Nur]

nikkas dont get tired of this?

everyone has an opinion

Day in and day out for what....6 years now?

Just to add something different to Coliseum discussion

 

[Bigblackted4]

We take Durant as he is now, with all the knowledge, developmental framework, training/conditioning/diet, skillset/ability etc. And please, stop overrating the physicality of that era, we don't need to keep going through those footprints in the sand.

It’s not about total physicality it’s about going into the defense but he’d probably average 40 until teams realize I have to play all the way up then he’d average like 35

 

[Supreme365]

HE SHOT 39%
DENVER RAN A GIMMICK OFFENSE,
THAT SEASON,
WERE THE WORSE TEAM IN THE NBA.

NUMBER 1 SCORING TEAM IN THE LEAGUE
AND GOT OUTSCORED BY 11PTS A GAME.

THE EPITOME OF PADDING STATS ON A GARBAGE TEAM.

MEAN WHILE I.T. HAD THE NUMBER 1 SEED
AND MADE THE ECF.



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Kelly Tripuca was putting up 25 a game in the 80’s but kd would have trouble scoring
fukk outta here

 

[Hacksaw Jim Thuggin]

Day in and day out for what....6 years now?

Just to add something different to Coliseum discussion

breh....dont let bron win a title as a laker .....

the coli will implode....

im old enough to have seen jordan play in college.....i enjoyed him as much as i enjoyed kobe....and now lebron

i appreciate excellence....

and leave it at that

 

[No Homo]

In general (on a competitive playoff team, with a star #2, #2 in perimeter defensive duties etc), I'd estimate around 30-33 ppg. His approach to the game would be different because of coaching, improvement in defensive schemes/defenders, improvement in offensive schemes/offensive players, landscape, and the natural evolution of the game.

If we're talking best case scenario where he gets to put up as many shots as he wants, on a lottery team, on high minutes, it'd be around 35-37 ppg. Similar to what Durant, Curry and LeBron could average if they were put in the same position.

russ averaged 31.6 while averaging triple double

do you really think MJ only averages 30-33

and 5ft 8 midget playing for a contending team averaged 29 a game.




MJ will get to the line, do whatever he wants with the ball and just be the freak of nature himself. MJ DON'T GET TIRED breh. you are underestimating how soft this league really is. there's nothing that can stop MJ to get to the line. nothing.

The truth is somewhere in between both of these which is still crazy

 

[Champ_KW]

The turn this argument has taken shows what's wrong with this era. 90% of the conversation is about offense. MJ isn't the GOAT strictly based on what he would average in today's game or vice versa. Actually listen to what Ray Allen said. He listed passing as MJ's "weakness" (even though when he was put at point guard he ran off 7 straight triple doubles and 10 in 11 games) cause he didn't pass that much. He then said he had no other weakness in his game. NONE. MJ played defense. Offense will always shift and shape differently when eras change, but the concept of stopping the man in front of you doesn't. Nobody on the GOAT list did it like MJ did. He was the complete player that was great in every aspect of the game and it all translated into titles.