I refuse to believe pitching is that much better in MLB

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Pitchers being pulled before the 3rd time through a lineup. Starters emptying the gas tank and throwing harder. Strikeouts are more acceptable.
 

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Unless most pitchers are consistently throwing 95 mph fastballs, its bullshyt. And the speed hasn't drastically gone up.


The strike zone is bigger. Umps have been inconsistent. The talent pool isn't what it once was in terms of hitting. Batters aren't as versatile. There are a bunch of other factors besides the fastball.

Imagine being this stupid.
 

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The technological advances in things like TrackMan, Statcast, MLBAM, etc have overwhelmingly benefited pitchers. The things they can learn from the new information, and the improvements they can make, have changed the sport.

MLB will probably use this years numbers to outlaw defensive shifts...and then strikeouts will go up again because more hitters will return to being dead pull... But the pitchers aren't slowing down.
 

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Its bullshyt that the average speed of a fastball has increased? :dwillhuh:

You didnt read any of the article did you?

If you didnt want the reasons for this, why did you start the topic?
His response is that of someone that didn't understand what you were saying or already had his mind made up of his own opinion.
 

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No, it’s the Ball. They modified the ball this year so it doesn’t fly as far and it seems to be giving pitchers better control.

MLB to alter baseballs for '21 season
This is the only thing named so far that is actually different this year. Teams had analytics, shifts pitchers who threw hard the last couple of years and offense wasn't this down.
I want to also forward that the Houston and Boston cheating scandals made the other teams that used similar steal signing operations to stop. I remember there were like up to eight teams suspected of doing similar stuff at the time but was kinda swept under the rug by MLB/media.
 

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned that I think is cool

Is that high speed camera technology has enabled what pitchers are calling "tunneling"

Basically by studying exactly how their pitches look at different milliseconds on their way to the plate

They've modified the way they throw some of their offspeed pitches so the pitch follow nearly the exact same trajectory as their fastball until the very last moment
 

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Way too much bytchin about pitchin.



Ironic because the 4th reason actually supports your point :skip: especially with all the analytics about hard hit rates and exit velocities got batters wanting dingers instead of stategic hitting.

The 4th point highlights how the issue is compounded. Better pitching combined with hitters being coached to always go for homeruns makes the game even worse. If i know you only have one swing, and i know the bat path, its easier for me to ensure you dont make solid contact. It doesnt refute that the pitching has gotten better.
 

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Pitchers are pitching less, and tech and analytics have made those pitches harder to hit because they new age pitchers can make more intricate fastballs and curveballs.
 

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Doesn’t help that the art of manufacturing runs is dead. Bunting, stolen bases, moving runners over is dead. Now it’s swing for fences or die
 

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The 4th point highlights how the issue is compounded. Better pitching combined with hitters being coached to always go for homeruns makes the game even worse. If i know you only have one swing, and i know the bat path, its easier for me to ensure you dont make solid contact. It doesnt refute that the pitching has gotten better.

Doesn’t help that the art of manufacturing runs is dead. Bunting, stolen bases, moving runners over is dead. Now it’s swing for fences or die

I used to be a big baseball head but couldnt get into after my grandad passed. so correct me if im heading the wrong direction

are analytics telling these hitters to always try to hit the dingers?
even the elite hitters are only using one swing?
no one is really playing 'small ball' anymore?

it sounds like offensively analytics is crippling player growth while on teh opposite end its allowing pitchers to have a bigger/stronger arsenal

i cant believe they these hitters only having one swing at that level because of analytics telling them its best to swing for the fences. sounds like NBA analytics saying the 3 ball is really the only shot you should be taking. souds like someone neeeds get these nerds outta sports



edit: also when i played i cant lie players and manager were always trying to steal signs. to me if i can get your signals thats on you chuck
 

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The 4th point highlights how the issue is compounded. Better pitching combined with hitters being coached to always go for homeruns makes the game even worse. If i know you only have one swing, and i know the bat path, its easier for me to ensure you dont make solid contact. It doesnt refute that the pitching has gotten better.

This. I played a little hs ball as a switch hitting middle infielder. I had two distinct stances, swings and approach from each side. Switch hitting is much rarer now that players are coached to swing for the fences and pull the ball. I think that's why you see more open stances and little to no front leg kick from today's batters. Batters aren't giving pitchers enough to think about since everyone is using the same data.
 
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