I think I figured out where Nas goes wrong sometimes

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My nikka I could care less about all that shyt. I'm a Jay fan and got all of his albums even down to his unreleased shyt. Copped everything in real time too. But he has misses in his career that everyone seems to gloss over. I dont need to be in a full on Jay diss thread cause it's not that serious to me. But that ain't gonna stop me from voicing my opinion on the nikka music.
The point was that your "jay doesn't get criticized as much as Nas. People act like he's above criticism" claim is laughable. You only see it like that beside you're biased for Nas.
 

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Trackmasters produced "The Message" and "Affirmative Action"

Also Lost Tapes isn't an album it's a compilation
Nas referred to Street's disciple as his 8th lp on the actual project.

If this EP can be callled an album I don't see why Lost tapes isn't.
 

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Nas goes wrong when he leaves classic material on the cutting room floor. It speaks volumes when Lost Tapes is among the best of his albums. Its a collection of material that was left off of albums for whatever reason.

Nas could have classic songs with all those producers you named lying in some vault for all we know.
 

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Nas goes wrong when he leaves classic material on the cutting room floor. It speaks volumes when Lost Tapes is among the best of his albums. Its a collection of material that was left off of albums for whatever reason.

Nas could have classic songs with all those producers you named lying in some vault for all we know.
That's true...but he could not too.
 

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No he didnt. He went MORE commercial. But not TOO commercial. Most commercial songs on the album are "If I Ruled The World", and "Street Dreams". And the music videos to them were more commercial than the actual songs were. IWW was actually pretty dark sounding honestly. The Message was gritty, I Gave You Power was gritty, Watch Dem nikkas was gritty, Nas Is Coming was even kinda gritty, Take It In Blood was gritty, Affirmative Action, The Set Up, Suspect, Silent Murder, Live nikka Rap, even Black Girl Lost wasnt jiggy sounding.

Bottom line is nikkas was more mad at the production credits than actually getting to the music and listening. And they were mad at the visuals. shyt sounded more gritty tho Ready To Die which came out 2 years earlier and got nothing but praised.

If the whole album was stuff like shootouts, the message, I gave you power then it wouldn't have gotten that commercial label. Watch dem nikkas, black girl lost, and If I ruled the world are dope but still radio friendly. Street Dreams is tolerable but the dre joint is a no go.
 

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Nas goes wrong when he leaves classic material on the cutting room floor. It speaks volumes when Lost Tapes is among the best of his albums. Its a collection of material that was left off of albums for whatever reason.

Nas could have classic songs with all those producers you named lying in some vault for all we know.
Nas left songs off of I am because of bootlegging and left them off again of Nastradamus for the sake of having new material.
 

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In terms of him working with big name producers, Nas often plays it safe with them. Like why even go to Timbaland, The Neptunes, Swizz, or Kanye for radio joints?

I think the pitential for Nas to create classics with Timbaland and The Neptunes is there if he had them lace him with introspective jpints that appeales to his poetic side. That snippet from 2015 of that Timbo track proved that they could do street joints together. The first released Timbo/Nas song, "To My" wasn't even a radio joint and its possibly their best record together.

Nas killed "Popular Thug" remix though. "The Flyest" is garbage.

With Swizz, Nas always aims for cheesy radio records instead of having him lace him with street joints. Still wish Nas would've worked with Swizz in '98-'99.
 

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There are outtakes from Stillmatic too and some newly recorded songs.
Because Everybody's crazy is a Jay diss but is too weak and indirect to feel right on Stillmatic and redundant to Ether.

I think No idea's original was deliberately left off with lost tapes in mind.
 

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Simply put... Nas makes music you listen to one time and go "oh that was cool" ... But his music ain't something you gonna play over and over again. Get rich or die trying was an album you played over and over again cuz it's a good listen. Dope beats, dope rhymes, catchy hooks... This music shyt ain't that hard. I can't listen to no God's Son or Streets Disciple over and over.

Idk where to even start with this bullshyt. GRODT has aged terribly. Nas shyt gets better on each listen, you gotta digest the lyrics.
 

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Because Everybody's crazy is a Jay diss but is too weak and indirect to feel right on Stillmatic and redundant to Ether.

I think No idea's original was deliberately left off with lost tapes in mind.

Purple was another Stillmatic joint. I think Doo Rags was also for Stillmatic
 

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Trackmasters produced "The Message" and "Affirmative Action"

Also Lost Tapes isn't an album it's a compilation

Lost Tapes is definitely a album, it’s just made up of previously unreleased songs by Nas ....an album is defined by length and sometimes cost. Although these songs got dropped I would imagine at initial recording that no expense was spared
 

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Ehhhh...Trackmasters brought out the best Nas.. all them underground songs from that Esco era are Trackmasters songs.

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