I think it's time we make a definitive coli top 10 MC list: Round 2

Which 5 are gonna take out any of the top 10?


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mobbinfms

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Thug Life is a 2Pac album with a reoccuring supporting cast. Furthermore we can go track for track on that and it'll be beyond evident that you're largely basing your rating on old paradigms.

We can go track for track on all 10 songs and perhaps you might want to bring in another album of equal length that you consider a classic and we'll see how that plays out, might I suggest Illmatic :youngsabo:

Furthermore, we are going to have issue here with our statement that nothing Tupac did is a GOAT contender album

even the general consensus would include 3 of those albums as GOAT candidates - and the only reason Thug Life isn't included in that discussion is because it was critically overlooked for being released as a group album - in actuality compare Illmatic to Thug Life: Volume 1 - song for song, I'll wait :youngsabo: At this point you should be done listening to both albums, now doesn't that put it into perspective as to where these albums rank - Tupac's has an enduring sound while Illmatic sounds like it's from a time and place. Song for song, good luck with the mental gymnastics to uphold your generic status quo "GOAT album". Thug Life is classic, song for song it's essential listening and each song stands on it's own - the songs of Illmatic are more of a package deal where the project is acclaimed as a whole. Just about any song on Thug Life is essential listening and could be placed in the upcoming biopic, none of the songs would be out of place on a collection of his greatest work and the album as a whole lot aged better - once again, despite the
NY-publication-derived status quo sheep opinion you have a hard time comparing these albums favorably - even with the track listings being about the same size - song for song, I implore you to give it a go

With Tupac's catalog you're more likely to have a legitimate argument on what his greatest album is, case closed

from a personal perspective, Me Against the World . . can you name me an album with a personal theme that is better? Anything more introspective?

All Eyez on Me is as ambitious as a project can be. It is a blockbuster magnum-opus album. The album you can comfortably choose if you could only bring one album when you're sent to a deserted island

The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory from a critical perspective is the greatest thing hip-hop has to offer

All 4 of the aforementioned albums surpass anything in Nas's catalog by a significant margin - to keep it real Illmatic is arguably competitive with the Thug Life album - each of the three other albums significantly pass it in stature alone. The Illmatic is a great album but it's status comes from status quo and traditionalism that is derivedfrom bias New York publications

Tupac's work overall largely transcends the genre. His discography is the greatest thing hip-hop has to offer, it is the crowning achievement of our culture and is something that we can point to when discussing the merits of hip-hop songwriting and the respect of our art form

This takes precedence over your perceived "lyricism" . . Songwriting. To not understand this is a terrible detriment to our culture and undermines the realization of our art form as an artistic craft

And to make matters more conclusive, Nas his lived 20 years beyond Tupac and not only is there still a discussion . . but he hasn't come close to surpassing him. Quite simply, there isn't a credible argument that puts Nas over Tupac . . And he had over 20 years to create that separation

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Ranting and Raving of an arguably delusional Stan.
First of all, I stan no rapper. If you're not able to provide sensible reasoning to back up your position it is likely you who is the delusional stan :sas2: What you have here isn't ranting and raving, arguments were presented in a what was suppose to be an amicable debate and what happens was my opponent just simply walked off the stage without being able to back-up any of his positions :francis:

If someone were to tell me that Desiigner is better than Rakim I would have no problem being able to refute that

When you're on the right side of the argument the facts write themselves, you don't have to rack your brain to get a viable argument. The facts are already there. If you're not able to do that but yet you still want to put forth your position without being able to put-up any argument than it is you who is putting forth an idea that lives only in your head, yet you see it as reality because it's what you believe but that's textbook delusion:upsetfavre:
 

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First of all, I stan no rapper. If you're not able to provide sensible reasoning to back up your position it is likely you who is the delusional stan :sas2: What you have here isn't ranting and raving, arguments were presented in a what was suppose to be an amicable debate and what happens was my opponent just simply walked off the stage without being able to back-up any of his positions :francis:

If someone were to tell me that Desiigner is better than Rakim I would have no problem being able to refute that

When you're on the right side of the argument the facts write themselves, you don't have to rack your brain to get a viable argument. The facts are already there. If you're not able to do that but yet you still want to put forth your position without being able to put-up any argument than it is you who is putting forth an idea that lives only in your head, yet you see it as reality because it's what you believe but that's textbook delusion:upsetfavre:
What does any of this have to do with facts? Aren't we talking about our opinions of two rappers along with our opinions of what the general consensus is?

I'm not into academic nerdy discussion of hip hop breh. B that's not what hip hop is about. If you really like the beats on thug life that much, and think the rhymes is really that good, more power to you. It just tells me we hear this shyt very differently. There's really no point in going further.
 

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What does any of this have to do with facts? Aren't we talking about our opinions of two rappers along with our opinions of what the general consensus is?

I'm not into academic nerdy discussion of hip hop breh. B that's not what hip hop is about. If you really like the beats on thug life that much, and think the rhymes is really that good, more power to you. It just tells me we hear this shyt very differently. There's really no point in going further.
When you're discussing your favorites that's a matter of opinion. But when you're discussing the greatest of all-time that's no longer subjective territory. It's 100% quantifiable
 

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thread is flawed but conducive to the average hip-hop fan because it panders to populist opinions by pre-selecting our options. The floor isn't open for any arguments to add editions, if this was congress I'd filibuster the fukk out of you
 

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he should already be in.

this should be the part where I vote for Camron.

you f*ckin up man. what exactly is this anyway that ur telling me to vote on? I'm confused.
This is round 2 breh. The top 10 out the first 15 made it in. We added 5 more to see if they can knock any out the the top 10. The goal is to get to a top 50
 

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thread is flawed but conducive to the average hip-hop fan because it panders to populist opinions by pre-selecting our options. The floor isn't open for any arguments to add editions, if this was congress I'd filibuster the fukk out of you
The floor is very open. All the names added in round 2 were the 5 most mentioned in round 1. We already have some names based on what the people want for round 3
 

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Pac's first two albums were duds.
Thug Life was a group album, Pac obviously stole the show. That being said, being generous, its a 3.5 mic album.
Those last three albums though :banderas:
What a run.
Nothing Pac did is a GOAT contender album...nothing as good as Illmatic for example...or a number of GOAT contender albums. But not many rappers/groups had 3 albums back to back that are all certified classics like that :banderas:
Pac's posthumous shyt you are better off not even bringing up :scusthov:
All in all...Nas discography > Pac discography.

Even just Nas' first five albums against Pac's five albums...I'd take Nas. :obama:


AEOM is by far dude best work


with that said IWW >>> AEOM :yeshrug:
 

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Whatever works for you. I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy the @#WallyWisdom show.

breh - dont waste ur time
this dude been tryner get me to do the same with R2D

im like ... im, NOT about to have an extensive debate over what is considered an consensus top 5 album of all time vs a weed plate that got 3 mics
 

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breh - dont waste ur time
this dude been tryner get me to do the same with R2D

im like ... im, NOT about to have an extensive debate over what is considered an consensus top 5 album of all time vs a weed plate that got 3 mics
I'm not gonna debate him...I think he is going to quantify Thug Life vs. Illmatic without using any subjective factors. I'm interested to see how he does it.
 
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