I told y'all muh'fukkas that Pop's being left behind.....

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Some folks will just never get it.....

 

[gtj1982]

If everyone is running the same system then the team with the best players win. Also their are a lot of garbage teams that shoot a lot of threes.

And if the spurs bench is shooting threes how does that not prove that the Pop isn't getting left behind but rather playing the hand he is dealt. Or are you suggesting that Pop isn't the coach of the spurs bench

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

If everyone is running the same system then the team with the best players win.

They're not all running the same system (for instance, Houston is ISO-dominant, and the Warriors have a motion-based offense), but they've all realized that the 3-pt shot is not only the most efficient shot, but it's also the one that opens up the floor the most. You can't argue against it, because it's simply common sense: you have to cover more distance and exert more energy defending behind the arc, than you do inside of it.

Also their are a lot of garbage teams that shoot a lot of threes.

If those "garbage teams" shot more long 2s than threes they'd be even more garbage. Go figure. Take the Pistons for example:

Blake
Drummond
Jackson
Bullock
Galloway

Arguably the least talented and ill-fitting team in the league, yet because Blake, Jackson, Bullock, and Galloway all take 5+ threes per game and complete them at nearly 35% combined (which would be the equivalent of shooting 2s at 52%), they actually have some success on the offensive end, or should I say, they're trending in the right direction of maximizing their offensive possessions. Not only from an efficiency standpoint, but because it allows all the players to co-exist and function on the offensive end (it allows Drummond to be effective because without that spacing he'd likely see limited minutes, and the Pistons defense would be worse off because of it - that's the domino effect here).

And if the spurs bench is shooting threes how does that not prove that the Pop isn't getting left behind but rather playing the hand he is dealt. Or are you suggesting that Pop isn't the coach of the spurs bench

Again, not every team in the league has natural shooters, they've all had to adapt, and adjust to the climate of the league. The Spurs have shooters on their bench, that's why they're shooting, but that doesn't mean because DeRozan and LMA aren't 3-pt shooters that they shouldn't take those shots. He's getting left behind because he's only playing to the stock of his personnel, whereas the rest of the league are taking whatever measures it takes to win.

"Brook Lopez is attempting seven 3-pointers per game
Blake Griffin is attempting six three-pointers per game
Aaron Gordon is attempting four 3-pointers per game
Marc Gasol is attempting four 3-pointers per game
Joel Embiid is attempting four 3-pointers per game
Al Horford is attempting four 3-pointers per game"

Are you going to tell me that all those players are playing to their strengths, or have their respective coaching staffs realized they need to take these shots because they're essential to the workings of winning basketball?

There's absolutely no excuse for why DeRozan and LMA are taking over eight long 2s combined (at only 40%), and only 1.5 threes combined (especially since LMA was working on his 3-pt shot all throughout the summer, and DeRozan attempted a career-high 3.6 attempts in Toronto last season). I mean, no other team's main options take more long 2s than 3s, let alone take over 5x the amount.

 

[Truefan31]

you the only one who can't grasp shyt... the entire nba is with us and you talking nonsense

yes.... IN THEORY.... it would work out better... problem is, there aren't only two shots to take... so how about not shooting long range at all and LMA big goofy ass go dunk the damn ball or learn to post up...

you cherrypicking ONLY long 2's vs 3's... you not taking into any account what else they could be doing with the ball... like, i don't know, passing it to someone who could actually shoot it at 40%... how about not taking either shot and backing a nikka down? what if, since your theory has to be perfect..... what if they shoot more and miss more cause they actually getting guarded out there, cause they are now a threat. what if the opposite teams see's this and plays 3-2 zone and forces them to go inside and make those 2's... what if they get tired from shooting the longer distance? what about anything??


that's why they hate these stat guys... you living in a fantasy where they just step back 2 inches, everything else about the game stays exactly the same, including how they shoot, how tired they get, what the defense is, etc etc etc




no i'm not playing your game.. b-b-b-b-b-b-but what's the difference... obviously it was that damn simple, even the players would revolt and just run out there and launch 3's. fukk pop.. chuck it up there right?

cut it the fukk out breh... LMA and DeR suddenly start chucking up 30% threes and I can assure you they won't be winning anymore than they are now. you keep on talking about these other teams... these other players... who suddenly sucked one year then just launched bricks the next, and the team was better off


how about instead of this make believe, you answer one simple question, then you win................



name these players who IMPROVED their team by shooting more 3's, when they sucked at it before... just give us this long list you have, and we'll all read it and say, wow he's right.... until then... don't quote me

Don’t worry the OP knows more about basketball than Gregg Popovich, you didn’t know?

Didn’t OP think Jabari was the next great one and that Randle was trash?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Don’t worry the OP knows more about basketball than Gregg Popovich, you didn’t know?

The fact you're still running with this tells me you truly do not understand what is going on here. It has little do with the knowledge of the game and more so to do with him being a creature of habit, as is every coach in the league. Are you going to tell me you've never once criticized a coach despite not knowing as much as they do? Has every coach in existence been right? Is every coach above reproach? Because this is the type of logic you're working on here.

Didn’t OP think Jabari was the next great one and that Randle was trash?

Oh look, bringing up an irrelevant topic that has absolutely nothing to do with the thread. And the joke's on you, because Jabari already proved long ago that he's a better player than Julius will ever become. Again, anyone that understands the game would know this.

 

[Remote]

I don't think Pop is unaware of the impact 3 pointers have on the game.
He has made comments referencing the advanced metrics of today and how it correlates to winning, so I don't think it's an ignorance thing.

I don't know what it is. I just hope it's not something like "I don't believe this 3pt shooting is beautiful basketball" because while we are all entitled to our opinions about what makes for entertaining play....at the end of the day Pop owes it to the players, fans and organization to leverage whatever he can to win games.

 

[Truefan31]

The fact you're still running with this tells me you truly do not understand what is going on here. It has little do with the knowledge of the game and more so to do with him being a creature of habit, as is every coach in the league. Are you going to tell me you've never once criticized a coach despite not knowing as much as they do? Has every coach in existence been right? Is every coach above reproach? Because this is the type of logic you're working on here.

Oh look, bringing up an irrelevant topic that has absolutely nothing to do with the thread. And the joke's on you, because Jabari already proved long ago that he's a better player than Julius will ever become. Again, anyone that understands the game would know this.

I've never said that basketball has passed a 5 time NBA champion coach by. You can try being smart about it, but the premise of your thread is that you're saying you know more about basketball than Gregg Popovich. From your title alone, your basically saying you deem Popovich not smart enough to see your ''right'' way. So you're saying you know more about basketball than Gregg Popovich

Didn't you go ghost after your beloved Warriors choked a 3-1 lead? Did they not shoot enough threes?

But they shot enough 3s in 2015 right? Enough that they didn't need to go stack the deck with getting KD right after choking away 2016?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I don't think Pop is unaware of the impact 3 pointers have on the game.
He has made comments referencing the advanced metrics of today and how it correlates to winning, so I don't think it's an ignorance thing.

I don't know what it is. I just hope it's not something like "I don't believe this 3pt shooting is beautiful basketball" because while we are all entitled to our opinions about what makes for entertaining play....at the end of the day Pop owes it to the players, fans and organization to leverage whatever he can to win games.

Most definitely, it's not an awareness/knowledge thing, folks coming into this thread believing that I'm stating I know more than Pop can go that way. I think it's largely to do with him staying true to his system, his age/time in the league (losing passion), being human (being stubborn and stuck in his ways), and everything he's had to deal with in his personal life. The game passes by everyone, nobody coaches until the day they die, which is why I don't understand why folks are all up in arms about me pointing this out.

 

[Truefan31]

Breh that was literally just last yearand I think Trading Kawhi and Danny green for a known playoff choke artist who’s still learning his own identity and losing murray is why the spurs aren’t playing up to par right now. I’m not denying the three ball isn’t important but I don’t think that’s why the spurs are suffering right now.

Nevermind that Kawhi n the Spurs had the Warriors with Durant down 25 in their own house before Kawhi gets hurt

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I've never said that basketball has passed a 5 time NBA champion coach by. You can try being smart about it, but the premise of your thread is that you're saying you know more about basketball than Gregg Popovich. From your title alone, your basically saying you deem Popovich not smart enough to see your ''right'' way. So you're saying you know more about basketball than Gregg Popovich

This is NOT what I'm saying, at all. How does this make sense to you? I'm saying the league is leaving him behind, because all the other teams have adapted and he hasn't. It's not my "right" way, it's the state the league is in; it's the state every single team except the Spurs is in. Is every team in the league taking the "wrong" approach, and the Spurs taking the "right" approach?

Nevermind that Kawhi n the Spurs had the Warriors with Durant down 25 in their own house before Kawhi gets hurt

You're intent on exposing yourself over and over, aren't you, regurgitating all these casual fan talking points? See -

"And yet there's no mention of the game only a month before that series, where the Warriors (without KD) came back from a 22-point deficit to beat the Spurs when Kawhi played the entire game."

 

[Truefan31]

This is NOT what I'm saying, at all. How does this make sense to you? I'm saying the league is leaving him behind, because all the other teams have adapted and he hasn't. It's not my "right" way, it's the state the league is in; it's the state every single team except the Spurs is in. Is every team in the league taking the "wrong" approach, and the Spurs taking the "right" approach?

You're intent on exposing yourself over and over, aren't you, regurgitating all these casual fan talking points? See -

"And yet there's no mention of the game only a month before that series, where the Warriors (without KD) came back from a 22-point deficit to beat the Spurs when Kawhi played the entire game."

If you're saying the game has passed Pop by, then you're saying it's not the ''right'' way and that you seemingly know more about basketball than Gregg Popovich

But how could the obsolete Spurs even get a 22 or a 25 point lead on the mighty 3 pt Warriors with Durant in the first place? They don't shoot nearly enough threes

How did the Warriors choke away a 3-1 lead? They surly shot enough threes in 2015 right? Did they not shoot enough 3s in 2016? What about Durant, why did they feel desperate to get him? Was their offense obsolete in 2016?

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

If you're saying the game has passed Pop by, then you're saying it's not the ''right'' way and that you seemingly know more about basketball than Gregg Popovich

But how could the obsolete Spurs even get a 22 or a 25 point lead on the mighty 3 pt Warriors with Durant in the first place? They don't shoot nearly enough threes

How did the Warriors choke away a 3-1 lead? They surly shot enough threes in 2015 right? Did they not shoot enough 3s in 2016? What about Durant, why did they feel desperate to get him? Was their offense obsolete in 2016?

dude really said the pistons are trending up and the spurs are the only team doing it wrong

meanwhile the pistons are tied for 25th in offensive efficiency and the spurs are tied for 5th... So my nikka wants them to get WORSE shots and plays, so they can get better..... like the pistons



mind you this is AFTER dispelling the whole "blake is better with 3s" because blake only shooting 1 more 3, which rose his ppg by 1 in one year, then dropped it 2 in the next...... but then he doubled his foul shots in the 3rd year and his ppg rose by 4 points to a career high




but the pistons have the answers.... meanwhile the spurs have a better record... in the west at that

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Some folks will just never get it.....

Quoted for emphasis.

 

[Truefan31]

dude really said the pistons are trending up and the spurs are the only team doing it wrong

meanwhile the pistons are tied for 25th in offensive efficiency and the spurs are tied for 5th... So my nikka wants them to get WORSE shots and plays, so they can get better..... like the pistons



mind you this is AFTER dispelling the whole "blake is better with 3s" because blake only shooting 1 more 3, which rose his ppg by 1 in one year, then dropped it 2 in the next...... but then he doubled his foul shots in the 3rd year and his ppg rose by 4 points to a career high




but the pistons have the answers.... meanwhile the spurs have a better record... in the west at that

The Pistons are the future right?

I guess the Warriors in 2015 weren't obsolete, but became obsolete in 2016 choking a 3-1 lead, but got KD in desperation so now they're back to being revolutionary Gettin Boogie now I'm sure they'll shoot enough 3s, unlike 2016

If the Warriors somehow choke away this year they'll be back to being obsolete

 

[Dilltastic VolWon(derful)]

Nevermind that Kawhi n the Spurs had the Warriors with Durant down 25 in their own house before Kawhi gets hurt

There needs to be a 30 for 30
On Kwahi and Pop.
That play singlehandedly changed the league.