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Exactly! These guys would rather stand next to Bieber(no hate towards him but these rappers don't actually like his music they're just trying to get more fans) than the late great Dr. Khalid Muhammad.
Ice Cube fans... how do yall feel about him supporting the late Dr Khalid Muhammad?
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Exactly! These guys would rather stand next to Bieber(no hate towards him but these rappers don't actually like his music they're just trying to get more fans) than the late great Dr. Khalid Muhammad.
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You have some more examples? Even the Coors thing is a rehash of him doing St Ides commercials 20 years earlier...Common called him to the carpet on it before...Him saying Al Davis never paid us then doing the ESPN documentary on the Raiders, him dissing Barkely for marrying a white woman and then doing the book with him and Wilbon...All points to him becoming more tolerant and open minded...
Now you can debate whether his tolerance came about because he saw it was financially beneficial or if he really just evolved....I'm sure it was a bit of both..He obviously isn't the same angry 20 year old with a jheri curl and his music has suffered because of it imo..
But who is the model artist that someone like Cube should aspire to be like? I have a feeling he doesn't exist...
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Yea, but honestly as much as a fan I am of Ice Cube, the NOI and Khalid Muhammed rebuked the dude to some extent because Ice Cube was playing both sides of the fence. he was trying to get down with the Nation on one side of his mouth and then promoting St. Ides malt liquor on the other side, which is odd because low key, malt liquor has been a huge bane on the black community as a whole, especially in the early 90's when we needed more healthy alternatives and revolutionaries to try to counteract the damage the crack era has done to the Black Community up to that point. Malt liquor and menthols were just tools to keep the Black man docile.
I'm sorry but this is complete bullshyt
the man was an advocate of ethnic cleansing...that has no place anywhere regardless of your color/belief system...I'm glad all you can do is imagine it because people who's beliefs end up that radical...and this is not to say radical is always a bad thing, but we're talking genocide, holocaust denial...I'm glad all you can do is imagine
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His entire career is a "photo in the dictionary" type example. It's almost not worth rehashing the discussion because the fact that he told white people to kiss his ass and drop dead on a few albums has cemented him as such an icon to black hip hop fans that they will ignore the most basic definitions of "sellout" to justify whatever he does. when we don't like a person, we can see his faults and contradictions, and call shyt what it is. When we do, we start to talk about how complicated human existence is and how some people mature and change and that no one should be expected to be Jesus.
The nikka made True to The Game and Turn Off the Radio and ended up yayee yaying all over tacks talking about we be clubbin we be clubbin and you can do it put your ass into it. I'm sorry, that's fukking embarrassing. That's not maturity, that's not age, that's making a cynical, corny ass stab at a mindless pop record because it might make you some extra money. It's self-parody.
I won't even talk about some of his movies, I don't even feel like getting into it. I still love the albums of his I loved, but that's where it ends. This nikka is lame to me. The bottom line is we're talking about a man who took sometimes militant, always critical stances about specific institutions, took those stances in the public sphere, still purports to maintain some of those stances, has referred to himself as an activist... we're talking about this man completely falling into step with those institutions, going against all he professed to believe, and essentially becoming another cog in the mainstream.
Habits change with maturity. Principles don't change with maturity, if they're worthwhile, founded, and real -- they evolve and deepen. When those change... that's the definition of selling out.
Thank you for proving my point...
are ethnic cleansing of white people and denying the holocaust positions that you, yourself personally, want to stand behind and defend?
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Yeah true he addressed this in his songs though and still has a relationship with Farrakhan to this day...
"You call me a muslim, no I'm not a resident, still got my vote in Farrakhan for president"
"I met Farrakhan and had dinner, now you ask am I a 5 percenter? No, but I go where the brothers go"
And Farrakhan eventually parted ways with Khalid eventually anyway...People that wanted Cube to be Chuck D never really understood what he was about....
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That's actually around the time I prolly the biggest fan of him...my old dude was deep off into that back then, used to ride around listening to khalid muhammad and farrakhan lectures on cassette...he was a big cube fan and gave me a dub of lethal injection..as a young dude it had me like 
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What I feel personally is irrelevant... I stand behind and defend the right for people to say what they want whether I agree with it or not...
And I respect your right to be offended and outraged...But to totally ignore or attempt shut out certain sides of a conversation because they make people uncomfortable is anti hip hop and unamerican...
If Bishop Don Juan can stand on stage and be a de facto mascot for one of the cultures most popular rappers, I don't have an issue with someone like Brother Muhammad playing the same position..
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True.. But some of Cubes earlier principles were misguided and plain wrong.. And I'm speaking from the perspective of someone who used to be deep into Black Nationalism until life experience forced me to realize the error in some of those beliefs...
There was nothing "worthwhile or founded" about "Cave B1tch" it was just young Black angst mixed with bigotry..
If he was still walking around in 2012 talkin about "Fukk Obama because his mama didn't come from the original man and she's tainted" you would be lookin at him like Reverend Manning...
There would be no honor in that...
Cube never sold out Black people as much as selling out Black Nationalism....
True.. But some of Cubes earlier principles were misguided and plain wrong.. And I'm speaking from the perspective of someone who used to be deep into Black Nationalism until life experience forced me to realize the error in some of those beliefs...
There was nothing "worthwhile or founded" about "Cave B1tch" it was just young Black angst mixed with bigotry..
If he was still walking around in 2012 talkin about "Fukk Obama because his mama didn't come from the original man and she's tainted" you would be lookin at him like Reverend Manning...
Completely agree with that, and didn't even vibe with that aspect f his music back then. The Hollywood and empty music shyt is a very different issue, which is I why I cited it specifically.
When it comes to black nationalism and kill whitey it's all just a gimmick to me. Cats jump on whatever might resonate and then abandon it to folow the next trend a year later. Same with love and righteousness and funny hats. Like my homie used to say, Common is just Jay-Z for nikkas who burn incense and like to give bytches massages with special oils.
shutting out certain sides of the conversation is as american as apple pie, look at how limited the american political spectrum is...now-a-days the term "socialist" is thrown out like a dirty word rather then a mode of government used successfully in other various places in the world. you have a choice between 1a and 1b...the conversation is extremely limited and not all voices are heard
i just disagree vehemently with the voice in question. anyone who can sit there and deny the events of the holocaust...who is an advocate of genocide...who cannot seperate the police officers sent to break up his rally as PEOPLE from the institution they work for...who can call for the participants of his rally to beat the officers with rails...to shoot them with their own guns...who can no longer recognize that those are people too...individuals who exist outside those institutions...that's someone who has lost touch with human beings and i'm not sure giving them a higher platform with which to perpetuate those beliefs is the best idea...do i think he should be outright silenced, no, but i can stand behind someone distancing themselves him
this is going to turn into a "cop killer" discussion real fast
I think master p sponsored one of khalid's bullshyt rallies in New York on some scoundrel marketing shyt. I was in Harlem that day, and walked by the rally before it was dispersed by police, and saw mad master p promo material circulating. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA That dude didn't give a fukk about the message, he saw his target audience gathering in one place and his eyes was looking like $ $
