Ice Cube Vs Prodigy

[The Ruler 09]

K-Rino is like the E-40 of Texas, he does a lot of things well but nothing amazing. He is not even the man in his own state, and Houston is pretty dry when it comes to legends.

Impact and definitive records is what solidifies your position. Prodigy and Ice Cube has them. But who is really picking AMW or Death Certificate over a Mobb Deep album? Prodigy will get his props, but when people start talking about the the greatest Prodigy will never be ranked higher than Cube.

Lol. By saying that it sounds as if you haven't heard the work. He is an AMAZING lyricist. He is exceptional conceptually and creatively, he is exceptional content wise, he has some exceptional flows and albums. Well Scarface who is an icon and legend in his own right says K-Rino is the best MC in Houston so... Face knows MC's. I respect Face's opinion, and everyone else is entitled to theirs too. But mine won't be altered having heard both artists full shyt. It isn't really close if we're being objective. But we're not being objective, cause people wanna hold on to who they listened to as kids. And who's a movie star and more famous, that's not how I judge. No MC is untouchable to me, if someone deservedly exceeds someone else then so be it.

No it doesn't. Like I've said I could use record sales to say MC Hammer was better than Cube, do you agree he was?, Cube might be ranked higher than P by a lot of people, cool, I'm sure a bunch of people have P higher too. I'm sure a lot of people on here listen to Infamous and Hell On Earth more than Cube's albums.

 

[H.I.M.]

BTW it's Cube by several stratospheres. I would've dismissed this as a troll thread if you weren't the OP @The Ruler 09

 

[The Ruler 09]

BTW it's Cube by several stratospheres. I would've dismissed this as a troll thread if you weren't the OP @The Ruler 09

Cool man, I can always respect everyone's opinion' as long as they heard all the material and have good reasons. Some shyt comes down to personal preference, I can see why people would pick Cube, particularly from a historical context, but we all gonna feel what we feel.

 

[FreshAIG]

Again, how big a factor your are in rap defines how effective you are. I don't understand why this is hard to grasp. And don't bring up Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer because they weren't effective in RAP culture. Everyone in rap thought they were corny. Nobody started trying to rhyme like them, they weren't saying anything that had an impact on americas innercities. Most of their fan base was white kids who just liked to dance to their music. So those comparisons are silly.

If someone says something of significance yet nobody hears it, how is it effective? In order to be effective, not only must people hear it, but it must have a cultural impact. Cube has that. He's a legend. K-Rino is a local rapper.

 

[FreshAIG]

Cube leads 47 to 19 and it's still not lopsided enough imo

I'm glad this board isn't THAT retarded though lol

 

[H.I.M.]

Cool man, I can always respect everyone's opinion' as long as they heard all the material and have good reasons. Some shyt comes down to personal preference, I can see why people would pick Cube, particularly from a historical context, but we all gonna feel what we feel.

I'm suprised that you rate Cube so low that you think he's comparable to Prodigy though

Prodigy literally has no standout attributes as an MC whatsoever. The definition of average. He does nothing better than Cube. And his discog is straight dookey compared to Cube's.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

What battles do you watch? No they wouldn't lol

Maybe in KOTD

 

[The Ruler 09]

Again, how big a factor your are in rap defines how effective you are. I don't understand why this is hard to grasp. And don't bring up Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer because they weren't effective in RAP culture. Everyone in rap thought they were corny. Nobody started trying to rhyme like them, they weren't saying anything that had an impact on americas innercities. Most of their fan base was white kids who just liked to dance to their music. So those comparisons are silly.

If someone says something of significance yet nobody hears it, how is it effective? In order to be effective, not only must people hear it, but it must have a cultural impact. Cube has that. He's a legend. K-Rino is a local rapper.

No it doesn't. I've explained why clearly previously. It more defines how effective your label is than the artist. That's just a cop out, they were effective sales wise cause they sold records, can't move the goalposts to suit your argument. A lot of people thought Cube and N.W.A were corny historically. A lot of the old pioneer MC's hated that shyt when it first came out. They thought they worked so hard to bring about appositive Hip Hop culture and these dudes came and fukked it up with low level rhymes and vulgarity (their opinion not mine). These are documented facts. People danced like Hammer all the time, and white kids tried to rhyme like Vanilla Ice loads. You can't switch the argument like that effectively. Could easily say why didn't Cube sell as much as them, cause he wasn't as talented? And that doesn't hold up, cause it's a ignorant perspective.

That again makes no sense, it's effective depending on how it effects the people it DOES hear. If their aim is to touch someone with a song and it touches people that hear it deeply then that's effective. You can't be touched by something you don't hear, so that's not ineffective. If you mean a commercial artist commercially that's a different topic, but you can't judge art by sales, didn't Van Gough only sell 2 paintings while he was alive?. That's again absolutely incorrect ,and just things your throwing in to support your argument. Cube is a legend, no-ones ever denying that, so it'd almost needless to say, as no-one is challenging that. What I will challenge and maintain is K-Rino is a better artist and vastly superior lyricist in very way.

 

[FreshAIG]

I'm suprised that you rate Cube so low that you think he's comparable to Prodigy though

Prodigy literally has no standout attributes as an MC whatsoever. The definition of average. He does nothing better than Cube. And his discog is straight dookey compared to Cube's.

This is my pound.

P's best attribute as an MC was his delivery and voice. He made you believe that shyt. But as an MC he doesn't have any particular thing he's great at. His flow isn't great, his lyrics aren't gonna blow you away, his content is run of the mill.

 

[The Ruler 09]

I'm suprised that you rate Cube so low that you think he's comparable to Prodigy though

Prodigy literally has no standout attributes as an MC whatsoever. The definition of average. He does nothing better than Cube. And his discog is straight dookey compared to Cube's.

Lol, I like Prodigy. I liked Prodigy's voice, flow, lyrics, loved the beats havoc produced, love Infamous and Hell On Earth as projects, enjoyed some of his solo work too. Prodigy has elements to his arsenal I perceive as flaws, but then again so does Cube to me. We gonna have to agree to disagree on that, but I hope we at least agree K-Rino >> both of them lol.

 

[The Ruler 09]

This is my pound.

P's best attribute as an MC was his delivery and voice. He made you believe that shyt. But as an MC he doesn't have any particular thing he's great at. His flow isn't great, his lyrics aren't gonna blow you away, his content is run of the mill.

Does Cube's lyrics blow you away though? And wouldn't most people say P's a better lyricist than Cube at least? If so what would that make Cube lyrically?. P's content isn't incredible but for the type of music Mobb made it was very well suited, they have a bunch of classic songs too, so he was effective at what he did. Was he somewhat limited? Yes. But Cube had limitations to in my opinion. Have you heard a Cube love song for instance that is dope? I can't think of one off the top. A positive song about women by Cube? A cube double time flow? I must be missing one but I can't think off the top of one that stands out to me.

 

[FreshAIG]

No it doesn't. I've explained why clearly previously. It more defines how effective your label is than the artist. That's just a cop out, they were effective sales wise cause they sold records, can't move the goalposts to suit your argument. A lot of people thought Cube and N.W.A were corny historically. A lot of the old pioneer MC's hated that shyt when it first came out. They thought they worked so hard to bring about appositive Hip Hop culture and these dudes came and fukked it up with low level rhymes and vulgarity (their opinion not mine). These are documented facts. People danced like Hammer all the time, and white kids tried to rhyme like Vanilla Ice loads. You can't switch the argument like that effectively. Could easily say why didn't Cube sell as much as them, cause he wasn't as talented? And that doesn't hold up, cause it's a ignorant perspective.

That again makes no sense, it's effective depending on how it effects the people it DOES hear. If their aim is to touch someone with a song and it touches people that hear it deeply then that's effective. You can't be touched by something you don't hear, so that's not ineffective. If you mean a commercial artist commercially that's a different topic, but you can't judge art by sales, didn't Van Gough only sell 2 paintings while he was alive?. That's again absolutely incorrect ,and just things your throwing in to support your argument. Cube is a legend, no-ones ever denying that, so it'd almost needless to say, as no-one is challenging that. What I will challenge and maintain is K-Rino is a better artist and vastly superior lyricist in very way.

Blaming your lack of recognition on anyone besides yourself is a cop out. Sure record labels play a part but if K-Rino's music was effective as Cube he would have a bigger name in the culture. He doesn't for a reason. And who moved the goalpost? We're talking about effectivenss right? When did I change the meaning of it? It always meant the same to me. Whose music made a bigger impact on the culture. Vanilla Ice and Hammers music had ZERO impact on the culture. They were pop cross over acts who had 1 big selling out. No rappers tried to sound like them (Unless you count Deion Sanders lol), and they made kids dance. But what they SAID meant absolutely nothing to anyone. Kids didn't listen to them nikkas. I was in elementary school when they came out, nobody talked about no fukking Hammer and Vanilla Ice. Them nikkas meant nothing to anyone.

And if you think K-Rino is a better artist, you're entitled to think whatever you want. I just know I've only heard a handful of K-Rino songs and they're barusa.

 

[ISO]

This is my pound.

P's best attribute as an MC was his delivery and voice. He made you believe that shyt. But as an MC he doesn't have any particular thing he's great at. His flow isn't great, his lyrics aren't gonna blow you away, his content is run of the mill.

I loved Prodigy's lyrics personally they blew me away, I don't see what he wasn't doing as an MC that wasn't great the verse JuvenileHell posted has multis, compound rhymes, great syntax, metaphor, similies, great imagery I don't see how he wasn't a great MC that Tony nikka thinks Illmatic is trash so his opinion on MCing is automatically voided. P was an ill ass rapper, more ill than Cube as far as I'm concerned just factoring in bars and not content/fame.

I'll take it that you love sociopolitical themes in rap? Because that verse you posted technically speaking wan't great very basic ABC rhymes (jaybird, j word). The content and aggression made the verse.

Where's Cube on your All-Time he's at the back end of my top 10.

 

[FreshAIG]

Does Cube's lyrics blow you away though? And wouldn't most people say P's a better lyricist than Cube at least? If so what would that make Cube lyrically?. P's content isn't incredible but for the type of music Mobb made it was very well suited, they have a bunch of classic songs too, so he was effective at what he did. Was he somewhat limited? Yes. But Cube had limitations to in my opinion. Have you heard a Cube love song for instance that is dope? I can't think of one off the top. A positive song about women by Cube? A cube double time flow? I must be missing one but I can't think off the top of one that stands out to me.

Cube's content is his strong point. He's not a great technical Mc in the way of an Eminem but they are very strong and what he says is ten times more powerful than anything P says. And no, P is in NO WAY as good a lyricist as Cube. At all.

 

[FreshAIG]

I loved Prodigy's lyrics personally they blew me away, I don't see what he wasn't doing as an MC that wasn't great the verse JuvenileHell posted has multis, compound rhymes, great syntax, metaphor, similies, great imagery I don't see how he wasn't a great MC that Tony nikka thinks Illmatic is trash so his opinion on MCing is automatically voided.

I'll take it that you love sociopolitical themes in rap? Because that verse you posted technically speaking wan't great very basic ABC rhymes (jaybird, j word). The content and aggression made the verse.

Where's Cube on your All-Time he's at the back end of my top 10.

He posted two lines, neither had any great similes or metaphors, nor were they compound rhymes. Every once in a while, just like any rapper in history P would have some multis thrown in, but that was never something he did or was good at.

And it's not that I love sociopolitical themes in rap and hate gangster rap. I have no issue with P's content my issue is when you try to compare a nikka that just rap street shyt, to a nikka that touches on EVERY topic that relevant to black culture and try to compare the two as lyricist and artist. It doesn't work, unless the former is exceptionally more gifted as a rhymer. For example, Kool G Rap is an incredible lyricist, so his lack of content is made up for by the fact his rhyming ability is so top notch. Prodigy is a rhymer that's not as good as Cube with way worse content. It's not even comparable imo

And Cube is around 6-7 on my all-time list. Sometimes top 5 depending on the day.