If Aaliyah was still here, do you think she would be the best female artist in R&B/Pop right now?

[Wacky D]

Your lying and you are making WackyD's point Aaliyah was the third wheel behind Monica and Brandy and aaliyah "die after" fans have now try to make her bigger than she was when during her time she was known as a dance act with limited vocals and range basically a production act. While Brandy and Monica were singers thats why the Boy is Mine in 98 was huge and Whitney Houston and them were all on Monica and Brandy.

And if we are being honest Beyonce was already bigger than her by the time she died if we are being truthful since Beyonce had already had an 5X platinum album with Destiny Child second Lp and was coming off the Survivor LP and Bootylicious during that summer and Aaliyah's LP was flopping none of her songs of that Lp were sticking til she died.

Lets be real if we want to have a discussion, Wacky D is 100 percent right if aaliyah doesn't die she wouldn't be no force in the rnb game because her limited vocals would have got her clowned.

THIS

especially the part about Aaliyah being a production act.

that's what makes this whole beyonce comparison so ridiculous. beyonce is the biggest entertainer of this century. meanwhile, Aaliyah wasn't an entertainer at all. she was a mere production act.

comparing Aaliyah to beyonce is like trying to compare Total to TLC.

Monica had three #1 songs in a row. You acting like Monica didnt have hits. Monica was the better singer too.

TBH Aaliyah and Monica had the same type of popularity. Neither really had per say the crossover success like Brandy did.

Aaliyah didn't have the acclaim, impact & respect that monica had.

that's why monica was still seen as neck-n-neck with brandy, despite not having the same mainstream success.

same reason SWV is seen in the same light as TLC, even tho TLC lapped them in sales.
g-unit & dipset
etc etc

Her album went gold before she died. The album itself wasn't even out that long.

Aaliyah`s popularity was definitely organic. You had people who wanted to imitate her looks & dance moves. Nothing manufactured about the love that Aaliyah received

Beyonce, Usher, & Timberlake were doing movies in the prime of their careers . The same can be said for countless others such as T.I, Dmx, Brandy, etc.

1. I already said all that needs to be said about that album.
2. you need to re-read what I type

3. i'll give you beyonce, and I don't follow timberlake but as for the others:
usher - what was the biggest flick he was in? light it up?
brandy - what major movie was she in during the run of her 1st 2 albums?
T.I. & DMX - im not talking about ATL & Belly. taking nothing away from those flicks. just saying those movies were for "us". im talking about when they really got into Hollywood. they had already peaked by then.

What was dumb about it? Give specifics rather than throwing out random ad hominems like a child. I'll be anticipating a breakdown of this.

you ARE a child.

youre wasting my time.

youre entire post is off. you weren't around and didn't do any homework to make up for it.

Destiny's Child is a group. Lead singer or not, Destiny's Child was a group effort. Leads have often gone solo and did nothing. Coko was the lead of SWV. SWV was bigger than a lot of solo acts. Coko went solo and flopped compared to solo artists that SWV was bigger than. Nothing Beyonce did as a solo took off until after she featured on Jay Z's lead single. Meanwhile, Kelly Rowland's first solo single, "Can't Nobody" fared better than "Work It Out".

this is the closest you've come to forming a respectable argument.

but its 2 different situations.

beyonce was geared to be a solo star from jump. she also geared for the crossover, and of course shes an entertainment conglomerate.
coko was just a str8 up singer. no dancing or elaborate stage shows. SWV was VERY urban and not geared to crossover. also, the promotion for her solo album was chit. I barely remember one video.

beyonce is more Diana ross than coko.

This.

And this whole notion that Beyoncé was as big as she is now when Aaliyah was alive is absurd. Beyoncé put in hard work and effort to get where she is, but when she went solo, Kelly Rowland was more of a priority than Beyoncé because she was featured on a huge hit with Nelly. "Work It Out" was Beyoncé's first solo single and it didn't even chart. Take into consideration that it was produced by The Neptunes. The same Neptunes who produced 40% of the songs on the radio that year.

"work it out" was just a random gimmicky soundtrack single for Austin powers.

be smart son

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

1. I already said all that needs to be said about that album.
2. you need to re-read what I type

3. i'll give you beyonce, and I don't follow timberlake but as for the others:
usher - what was the biggest flick he was in? light it up?
brandy - what major movie was she in during the run of her 1st 2 albums?
T.I. & DMX - im not talking about ATL & Belly. taking nothing away from those flicks. just saying those movies were for "us". im talking about when they really got into Hollywood. they had already peaked by then.

I see you moving the goalpost because that isn't what you originally said, but whatever:

Usher was in that trash movie in the mix with kevin hart back in 05. That movie hit theatres.

Brandy was in that horror film I know what you did last summer which hit theatres. She was also in Cinderella.

DMX was in romeo must die & exit wounds which hit theatres.

T.I. was also in American Gangster & takers.

 

[Wacky D]

I see you moving the goalpost because that isn't what you originally said, but whatever:

Usher was in that trash movie in the mix with kevin hart back in 05. That movie hit theatres.

Brandy was in that horror film I know what you did last summer which hit theatres. She was also in Cinderella.

DMX was in romeo must die & exit wounds which hit theatres.

T.I. was also in American Gangster & takers.

I didn't move any goal-posts.
you just didn't get the gist of what I was saying.

I don't even remember "in the mix". usher was never a movie star.
Cinderella was made for TV. and iirc, brandy's role in "i know what you did last summer" wasn't that big.

DMX' peak was his 1st 3 albums. youre proving my point buddy.

youre DEFINITELY proving my point with T.I.

that's what I meant by organically. I wasn't saying that Aaliyah didn't have organic popularity. im saying, it probably wouldn't be the same by that point. TI prolly sold more records after KING but he wasn't as organically popular as not-so-mainstream guys like boosie & Gucci by that point. same with DMX. the great depression prolly sold like 3 times as much as jada's album, but jada was bigger organically by that point.

 

[Antiquity]

you ARE a child.

youre wasting my time.

youre entire post is off. you weren't around and didn't do any homework to make up for it.

So once again you respond with an ad hominem and baseless accusations because you have absolutely no argument and cannot address what in my statement was "dumb". And yet expect people to listen to your rantings. How amusing.

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

I didn't move any goal-posts.
you just didn't get the gist of what I was saying.

I don't even remember "in the mix". usher was never a movie star.
Cinderella was made for TV. and iirc, brandy's role in "i know what you did last summer" wasn't that big.

DMX' peak was his 1st 3 albums. youre proving my point buddy.

youre DEFINITELY proving my point with T.I.

that's what I meant by organically. I wasn't saying that Aaliyah didn't have organic popularity. im saying, it probably wouldn't be the same by that point. TI prolly sold more records after KING but he wasn't as organically popular as guys not-so-mainstream guys like boosie & Gucci by that point. same with DMX. the great depression prolly sold like 3 times as much as jada's album, but jada was bigger organically by that point.

Like I said moving the goalpost. I've already responded to what you originally said.

You're not even making sense & this the second time you've contradicted yourself.

 

[Bernie Madoff]

> ANY Beyonce song!

 

[Barry Sanders]

Monica was a better singer than both Brandy and Aaliyah. Yes, she had hits, huge hits, but wasn't as popular. She did prove to have more longevity than Brandy. That's why music is unpredictable. No one ever would've guesses Monica would've been bigger than Brandy on the '00's. What's funny is that a huge part of Monica's longevity is Missy Elliott.

I thought both would do well in the 2000's after Full Moon Brandy fell off. I agree Missy helped her she also had hits without Missy as well. Monica and Aaliyah popularity was similar but Monica was looked at as the better artist.

Aaliyah didn't have the acclaim, impact & respect that monica had.

that's why monica was still seen as neck-n-neck with brandy, despite not having the same mainstream success.

same reason SWV is seen in the same light as TLC, even tho TLC lapped them in sales.
g-unit & dipset
etc etc

I get what you saying.

My thing is some people act as if Aaliyah was a huge star and she really wasn't. Don't get me wrong she had fans but people act like she was superstar status.

 

[Barry Sanders]

> ANY Beyonce song!

Na the remix better than this one.

 

[JustCKing]

How so? Aaliyah and Ciara are both similar singers as far as range goes (Ciara doesn't have much range and Aaliyah didn't have much), and Ciara is by far the better dancer.

Its backwards because you said Aaliyah was nothing more than a high seliing Ciara as if Aaliyah wasn't out first. Aaliyah was also a better singer. Ciara was riding a fad. She was marketed as the Queen of Crunk N B. When crunk was no longer popular, her star dwindled by album #2.

 

[Bernie Madoff]

Na the remix better than this one.

If your talking about Cam'ron that shyt goes hard... But the original better to vibe out...

 

[Wacky D]

So once again you respond with an ad hominem and baseless accusations because you have absolutely no argument and cannot address what in my statement was "dumb". And yet expect people to listen to your rantings. How amusing.

you know what? I apologize.

I had you mixed up with someone else that was being disrespectful the other day, while not knowing what they were talking about.

that's when I start dismissing people. but I had your name confused with one of them.

no shame in my game. I apologize. and i'll respond to your post below........youre still wrong tho.

Why are people acting like Aaliyah wasn't a star in 2001? Ashanti's run went from 2001 to 2002. Aaliyah's went from 1994 to 2001. She had longevity.

And Brandys career went downhill because she lied about her marriage and her management had no idea how to market her after Moesha ended and she was no longer in her teenage years. Aaliyah somehow managed to avoid this, she had a smooth transition from teen to adult whereas Brandy' s was awkward and hard on her.

where is all this longevity talk coming from? Aaliyah had 3 albums. the last one didn't do well, until she died. and even then, the sales of that album in death are under-whelming as well.

ashanti had no music out in 2001. just hooks.
ashanti had like 2 or 3 big albums, and she did it on a bigger scale than Aaliyah, which renders the comparison pointless.

brandy's transition to adult was meh but her transition was better than Aaliyah's, as she cleaned up better than Aaliyah in 2001.

Its backwards because you said Aaloyah was nothinv more than a high seliing Ciara as if Aaliyah wasn't out first. Aaliyah was also a better singer. Ciara was riding a fad. She was marketed as the Queen of Crunk N B. When crunk was no longer popular, her star dwindled by album #2.

youre missing his point.

and I'm sorry to break it to you, but Aaliyah was a novelty act.

Like I said moving the goalpost. I've already responded to what you originally said.

You're not even making sense & this the second time you've contradicted yourself.

AGAIN how am I moving the goalpost?
my point is still the same. you just didn't understand.

and you still don't understand.
what doesn't make sense to you? its pretty cut-n-dry breh. and how am I contradicting myself?

 

[JustCKing]

this is the closest you've come to forming a respectable argument.

but its 2 different situations.

beyonce was geared to be a solo star from jump. she also geared for the crossover, and of course shes an entertainment conglomerate.
coko was just a str8 up singer. no dancing or elaborate stage shows. SWV was VERY urban and not geared to crossover. also, the promotion for her solo album was chit. I barely remember one video.

beyonce is more Diana ross than coko.

You completely missed the point. My point is that just because an artist is the lead singer of a successful group, it doesn't mean that they will be successful as a solo artist. Beyoncé was geared to be a solo artist from the jump, but developing her into a legitimate solo act took time.

"work it out" was just a random gimmicky soundtrack single for Austin powers.

be smart son

Excuses.

Female artists have built careers and have had huge successes from soundtrack singles (regardless of how 'gimmicky'). Prime example of that is Beyoncé having a #1 single in 2006 off of the Pink Panther soundtrack with "Check On It". The fact is Beyoncé's first outing as a solo artist was a flop and she didn't resonate until "'03 Bonnie & Clyde" with Jay Z.

 

[JustCKing]

I thought both would do well in the 2000's after Full Moon Brandy fell off. I agree Missy helped her she also had hits without Missy as well. Monica and Aaliyah popularity was similar but Monica was looked at as the better artist.

I wasn't talking about both of them doing well, I was talking about Monica eclipsing Brandy success wise and having more longevity. Monica's biggest hits in the '00's were produced by Missy. Missy helped Monica come back from flopped albums twice.

 

[010101]

iconic it's more than music*

 

[JustCKing]

and I'm sorry to break it to you, but Aaliyah was a novelty act.

Novelty acts are acts who don't have repeated success. Aaliyah debuted in 1994. Her biggest hit came in 2000 with "Try Again". That's hardly a novelty act. Ciara debuted in 2004. Her biggest hit was on her first album. The second album sold half of what the first did. The third album was supposed to be a triple disc. The label scrapped that idea when the first single with T-Pain didn't do that well. Then it was flopped single after flopped single until they dropped a Justin Timberlake produced and featured song. The album still didn't do that well.