If Africa must truly break from the shackles of the West (add china and russia) what must it do and is it too late

[Jalether]

It's an extremely complex issue ofcourse which requires a fully committed multipoint plan. Here's what I came up with

First it needs a major deprogramming from the traditional way of thinking and become more unified. Tribalism and religion is holding it back tremendiously, you can't be unified as a continent or country even when ethinicities within each country don't even get along. This is perhaps the biggest obstacle to overcome

Action 2 violently resist the West if need be and to do that, it must develop its own nuclear arsenal- This is the only way to resist the west and external influences, Yes the west will threaten sanctions and perhaps go through with it but Africa is resource rich enough to withstand sanctions

Nuclear disarmament: how Africa can play a role in securing a nuclear weapons free world

African states have an important role to play in promoting a total ban on nuclear weapons.

theconversation.com

"there are no nuclear weapons on the continent. South Africa, the only African nation to have had nuclear weapons, gave them up in 1989, and Libya stopped its nuclear weapons programme in 2003. Today, all African states bar South Sudan are members of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons" You can see why no one is scared to come in and dominate any country in Africa

Action 3 get rid of the corrupt leaders and become a nation of laws, theres zero accountability in that continent and corruption has been deeply embedded into its culture

Action 4 Develop its infrastructure (electricity,roads,hospitals,schools,bridges,transport,banking,ecommerce etc) which are essential for a thriving economy and a developed society.

What Africa will look like in 100 years

As Africa's population looks set to quadruple over the twenty-first century, The Telegraph digs into the data to reveal the opportunities - and challenges - facing a fast-changing continent

s.telegraph.co.uk

some crazy stats
"Some 589 million people live without electricity in sub-Saharan Africa - meaning the majority of people rely on biomass to cook"
"Less than one in five African women has access to education - increasing their chances of contracting AIDS and not immunising their children"
"More than one million people die from malaria each year - mostly children under the age of five"


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[NoirDynosaur]

In the words of Lauryn Hill, "we must master ourselves to master economic power"

The problem is most African presidents are passive puppeteers to their colonizers. The money is embezzled towards materialistic possessions instead of fixing the local communities. Infrastructure, food, shelter is essential.

The presidents who went against the grain such as Thomas Sankara end up getting killed in a coup attack.

Financial colonialism? Most African countries are heavily indebted to China, Russia and the World Bank.

The business plan was the Chinese would built modern architecture like railway systems, highways and buildings to connect the outskirts towards metropolitan cities. The issue? We've seen how the Chinese treated the locals in East Africa. Banning Africans from entering these establishments. A code of ethics was out of the equation. This is why Africans need to be wary on non-western intervening.

Africa isn't poor, it's just poorly managed. Resources such as gold, iron, rubber, diamonds, cobalt (the same cobalt used as cellphone batteries!) is evidence that Africa is abundant in natural resources.

What's the practical solutions?
Setting a tariff on the goods and services being imported.

Tariffs can protect industries in several African countries from foreign competition by making imported goods more expensive. This can help these industries grow and create jobs.

Tariffs can generate revenue for governments through import duties. This revenue can be used for various purposes, such as funding public services or reducing budget deficits.

These countries should be careful because tariffs can start a trade war

Nuclear energy wise? South Africa used to have nuclear power plants

So why did South Africa denuclearized their country? Domestic Politics, International Relations and National Security

• Domestic politics. Leaders who are contemplating a nuclear program weigh the political situation in their countries against desires of competing interest groups like scientists or defense contractors. Even the personal ambitions of political leaders can come into play.
• International relations. On the one hand, countries that possess nuclear weapons wield great influence with other countries; on the other, pursuing or possessing nuclear weapons can result in economic sanctions against a country. Becoming a pariah on the world stage is a concern for leaders who are considering a nuclear program, especially as countries are increasingly swearing off nuclear weapons.
• National security. Countries that feel threatened by their neighbors, especially those that are nuclear-armed, could consider starting a nuclear weapons program. The desire to intimidate rivals often tips the scales too.

South Africa: Why Countries Acquire and Abandon Nuclear Bombs

 

[NoirDynosaur]

@Nkrumah Was Right @Amestafuu (Emeritus)

 

[Steelo14]

It's an extremely complex issue ofcourse which requires a fully committed multipoint plan. Here's what I came up with

First it needs a major deprogramming from the traditional way of thinking and become more unified. Tribalism and religion is holding it back tremendiously, you can't be unified as a continent or country even when ethinicities within each country don't even get along. This is perhaps the biggest obstacle to overcome

Action 2 violently resist the West if need be and to do that, it must develop its own nuclear arsenal- This is the only way to resist the west and external influences, Yes the west will threaten sanctions and perhaps go through with it but Africa is resource rich enough to withstand sanctions

Nuclear disarmament: how Africa can play a role in securing a nuclear weapons free world

African states have an important role to play in promoting a total ban on nuclear weapons.

theconversation.com

"there are no nuclear weapons on the continent. South Africa, the only African nation to have had nuclear weapons, gave them up in 1989, and Libya stopped its nuclear weapons programme in 2003. Today, all African states bar South Sudan are members of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons" You can see why no one is scared to come in and dominate any country in Africa

Action 3 get rid of the corrupt leaders and become a nation of laws, theres zero accountability in that continent and corruption has been deeply embedded into its culture

Action 4 Develop its infrastructure (electricity,roads,hospitals,schools,bridges,transport,banking,ecommerce etc) which are essential for a thriving economy and a developed society.

What Africa will look like in 100 years

As Africa's population looks set to quadruple over the twenty-first century, The Telegraph digs into the data to reveal the opportunities - and challenges - facing a fast-changing continent

s.telegraph.co.uk

some crazy stats
"Some 589 million people live without electricity in sub-Saharan Africa - meaning the majority of people rely on biomass to cook"
"Less than one in five African women has access to education - increasing their chances of contracting AIDS and not immunising their children"
"More than one million people die from malaria each year - mostly children under the age of five"


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The core truth about the rise of Asian/Arab countries is that Cold War politics played a determining role. After WW2, the US had the Marshall Plan for Western Europe. Kissinger and his ilk wanted to prevent the "Domino effect" with the spread of communism and encouraged the US/West to assist in prosperity for Asian nations as a counterweight.
Hence we got South Korea, Japan, the Philippines (to a certain extent), and then China--the factory of the world. The US literally forced the EU to help assist in China's prosperity. But like with capitalism, cheap labor and an insane level of profit threw a wrench.

Can Africa do it without such massive support and investment? Remains to be seen. The truth is, no nation has accessed world wealth and prosperity without the express & intentional backing of the US or EU. And when it comes to Africa, for those guys, we are just "permitted" to live there to safeguard cheap raw material access. ie African prosperity must never occur.

It's saddening, but a verifiable fact. That's why this new multipolar world might offer an opportunity to change that paradigm. But will African leaders seize this opportunity? Some are: Mali, Niger, and Burkina faso have formed a Union at their impulse (the first time in African History that countries came together to back each other up without an External power chaperoning)

Burkina Faso just signed a MOU with Russia for the construction of nuclear plants.

https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/burkina-faso-russias-rosatom-sign-agreement-nuclear-power-plant-2023-10-13/

If these leaders pull it off, it will be a game-changer for Africa and its future.

 

[Claudex]

First it needs a major deprogramming from the traditional way of thinking and become more unified. Tribalism and religion is holding it back tremendiously, you can't be unified as a continent or country even when ethinicities within each country don't even get along. This is perhaps the biggest obstacle to overcome

You might be right about religion, I won't take that away from you. But the tribalism part is a myth. It is very possible to be unified, as long as tribes are brought to an understanding that it can be competition but they are all a part of a whole, thus, whichever tribe loses sight of that goal they will be the bottom of the barrel so to speak.

In fact, I'd say that not giving the proper protagonism to different tribes is part of what hurts us in the long run. Prop up the positives of every tribe and shun the negatives of every tribe by forcing them to present what it is that they bring to the "national" table so to speak. You'll be amazed how far pride goes when the goal is only one.

As for going nuclear. If that should be done then it needs to be done in extreme secrecy. There are other ways of amassing power, the way of the nuclear power invites warfare with pretty obvious results.

Any war with the West, or China will weight far heavier on the continent with the most resources. So extreme finesse is the only way to go.

As for corruption...several African figures of Mao Zedong's caliber need to do what needs to be done. Leaders that believe in clean government, and strive to achieve it by any means necessary. Africa will need a lot of bloodshed to make that a reality since old habits die hard.

Action 4 will come about naturally as long as African governments stop intervening and actually fulfill their tasks. It's downright frightening how fast entrepreneurs can make miracles as long as government plays its role well.

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

Africans need nukes

 

[Hoodoo Child]

54 countries, but only ONE has a functioning nuclear power plant.

It's crazy because Nigeria has all of the capabilities and human capital to build several. Tanzania too

You might be right about religion, I won't take that away from you. But the tribalism part is a myth. It is very possible to be unified, as long as tribes are brought to an understanding that it can be competition but they are all a part of a whole, thus, whichever tribe loses sight of that goal they will be the bottom of the barrel so to speak.

In fact, I'd say that not giving the proper protagonism to different tribes is part of what hurts us in the long run. Prop up the positives of every tribe and shun the negatives of every tribe by forcing them to present what it is that they bring to the "national" table so to speak. You'll be amazed how far pride goes when the goal is only one.

As for going nuclear. If that should be done then it needs to be done in extreme secrecy. There are other ways of amassing power, the way of the nuclear power invites warfare with pretty obvious results.

Any war with the West, or China will weight far heavier on the continent with the most resources. So extreme finesse is the only way to go.

As for corruption...several African figures of Mao Zedong's caliber need to do what needs to be done. Leaders that believe in clean government, and strive to achieve it by any means necessary. Africa will need a lot of bloodshed to make that a reality since old habits die hard.

Action 4 will come about naturally as long as African governments stop intervening and actually fulfill their tasks. It's downright frightening how fast entrepreneurs can make miracles as long as government plays its role well.

Agreed

 

[The Fade]

I think about how true that nuke sentiment is a lot

“Only when you have power equal to the others will you have the right to sit infront of the table”

 

[BlackJesus]

"there are no nuclear weapons on the continent. South Africa, the only African nation to have had nuclear weapons, gave them up in 1989, and Libya stopped its nuclear weapons programme in 2003. Today, all African states bar South Sudan are members of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons" You can see why no one is scared to come in and dominate any country in Africa

Only Africans are dumb and naive enough to sign a nuclear non proliferation treaty before even developing them

 

[Seoul Gleou]

Muammar Gaddafi showed exactly what it needs to do

have a regional bloc a la the EU
have a currency in this bloc backed by african resources a la the EURO
eliminate visas for continental travel
establish intercontinental infrastructure (adding MILLIONS of jobs)
establish higher tariffs on imports outside of africa to protect and encourage job creation and industry in african countries
encourage return of high skilled workers from abroad


Gaddafi was on to something and Obama and em killed him before he saw it through

thomas sankara was also on that wave and the US assassinated him. in his short time, he modernized the country in a massive way and changed its name to stick it to cacs

Thomas Sankara - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Kooley_High]

It's an extremely complex issue ofcourse which requires a fully committed multipoint plan. Here's what I came up with

First it needs a major deprogramming from the traditional way of thinking and become more unified. Tribalism and religion is holding it back tremendiously, you can't be unified as a continent or country even when ethinicities within each country don't even get along. This is perhaps the biggest obstacle to overcome

Action 2 violently resist the West if need be and to do that, it must develop its own nuclear arsenal- This is the only way to resist the west and external influences, Yes the west will threaten sanctions and perhaps go through with it but Africa is resource rich enough to withstand sanctions

Nuclear disarmament: how Africa can play a role in securing a nuclear weapons free world

African states have an important role to play in promoting a total ban on nuclear weapons.

theconversation.com

"there are no nuclear weapons on the continent. South Africa, the only African nation to have had nuclear weapons, gave them up in 1989, and Libya stopped its nuclear weapons programme in 2003. Today, all African states bar South Sudan are members of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons" You can see why no one is scared to come in and dominate any country in Africa

Action 3 get rid of the corrupt leaders and become a nation of laws, theres zero accountability in that continent and corruption has been deeply embedded into its culture

Action 4 Develop its infrastructure (electricity,roads,hospitals,schools,bridges,transport,banking,ecommerce etc) which are essential for a thriving economy and a developed society.

What Africa will look like in 100 years

As Africa's population looks set to quadruple over the twenty-first century, The Telegraph digs into the data to reveal the opportunities - and challenges - facing a fast-changing continent

s.telegraph.co.uk

some crazy stats
"Some 589 million people live without electricity in sub-Saharan Africa - meaning the majority of people rely on biomass to cook"
"Less than one in five African women has access to education - increasing their chances of contracting AIDS and not immunising their children"
"More than one million people die from malaria each year - mostly children under the age of five"


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Im against more nukes in the world so thats a no go for me, but 1, 3 and 4 are viable options worth pursuing.

I dont think you need to be anti-west but you need better leaders who actually lookout for their citizens and not themselves. Russia, China, Turkey and the UAE are looking into Africa and I dont have a lot of faith that the deals will be better with current leadership.

 

[KillerB88]

Who cares? Our situation isnt solid in America. We don't have the capacity to take care of ourselves here, their problems are their problems.

 

[MikelArteta]

Muammar Gaddafi showed exactly what it needs to do

have a regional bloc a la the EU
have a currency in this bloc backed by african resources a la the EURO
eliminate visas for continental travel
establish intercontinental infrastructure (adding MILLIONS of jobs)
establish higher tariffs on imports outside of africa to protect and encourage job creation and industry in african countries
encourage return of high skilled workers from abroad


Gaddafi was on to something and Obama and em killed him before he saw it through

thomas sankara was also on that wave and the US assassinated him. in his short time, he modernized the country in a massive way and changed its name to stick it to cacs

Thomas Sankara - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They are working on that, Rwanda and Kenya dropped visa restrictions for all african nations.

 

[BlackJesus]

Tariffs can generate revenue for governments through import duties. This revenue can be used for various purposes, such as funding public services or reducing budget deficits.

This is on the right track but they'll need highly specific tariffs on all non-continental African countries that target certain markets/sectors. Attract foreign capital for manufacturing/textiles. Raze the slums and build government subsidized housing for families. Automatic 50 year sentence for corrupt cops and officials.

 

[High Art]

Africa isn't poor, it's just poorly managed.

This. A lot of issues can be tied to this.