IF being Gay is Genetic

[ghostwriterx]

A predisposed man would likely be curious

Curiosity is a choice?
Aren't there examples of homosexuals who have zero attraction to the opposite sex?
You seem to be conflating the physical act of homosexuality with attraction which seems wrong. There are gay and heterosexual virgins.
The idea that choice plays large role seems even sillier when you look at the natural world where there are dozens of species that engage in homosexual behavior.

 

[ellessij]

Extremely random bump, but I was discussing this with an openly gay co-worker, and he's managed to convince me its not genetic.
Was there an actual study? or was this thread just more anti gay bullsh*t?

How can you refute that it isn't genetic when there is the androgen receptor genotype.

It's a gene that's passed only from male to their male child that causes the androgen receptors to bind to the testosterone of the developing fetus and cause it to significantly lower; presenting a baby born with a more "feminine brain."

How is that NOT genetic? How does one fight that exactly? Your coworker sounds ignorant, and needs to spend less time trying to educate anyone on this subject.

 

[DEAD7]

How can you refute that it isn't genetic when there is the androgen receptor genotype.

It's a gene that's passed only from male to their male child that causes the androgen receptors to bind to the testosterone of the developing fetus and cause it to significantly lower; presenting a baby born with a more "feminine brain."

How is that NOT genetic? How does one fight that exactly? Your coworker sounds ignorant, and needs to spend less time trying to educate anyone on this subject.

I will post his response tomorrow.

 

[DEAD7]

The purpose of sex is reproduction. That is the sole purpose for it. Because our senses are geared to make things we need pleasurable, and reproduction is necessary for survival, the same stimulation that comes from natural sex can also come from masturbation, a sex toy, pornography, or homosexual encounters. If the urge for pleasure is strong enough and there are genetic predispositions in place, the pleasure urge can trump the functional/reproductive aspects of sex. Just as fat people face impulses to consume more calories than their bodies need.
Being gay is actually closer to being obese than it is to anything else.
Yes it can be genetic, but you have to make the conscious decision to act on it. It isn't involuntary by any means.


He also gave the "more feminine brain" thing the





Did you have a link to the "more feminine brain" stuff @Jisselle ?


edit: I told him to register and he said, "that site doesn't seem cac friendly... especially gay cacs."

I was for like 30m

 

[ellessij]

The purpose of sex is reproduction. That is the sole purpose for it. Because our senses are geared to make things we need pleasurable, and reproduction is necessary for survival, the same stimulation that comes from natural sex can also come from masturbation, a sex toy, pornography, or homosexual encounters. If the urge for pleasure is strong enough and there are genetic predispositions in place, the pleasure urge can trump the functional/reproductive aspects of sex. Just as fat people face impulses to consume more calories than their bodies need.
Being gay is actually closer to being obese than it is to anything else.
Yes it can be genetic, but you have to make the conscious decision to act on it. It isn't involuntary by any means.


He also gave the "more feminine brain" thing the





Did you have a link to the "more feminine brain" stuff @Jisselle ?


edit: I told him to register and he said, "that site doesn't seem cac friendly... especially gay cacs."

I was for like 30m

Hahahaha, I love the gays, but I can't speak for the rest of the site. Don't you let him sign up here lol

I did a ton of work with the androgen receptors, there's many studies and reports on it. There's even DNA testing done for gays/transexuals to present that genotype.

I'm a bit busy to go look up articles, but he can easily google it all. Check the links between androgen receptor genes and the causes of Transexualism. Here's 2 quick ones that will help you understand the AR gene.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7689007.stm

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18962445

 

[ghostwriterx]

The purpose of sex is reproduction. That is the sole purpose for it.

science behind that or he just spitballing? Sounds like bible talk.

 

[Majestyx]

edit: I told him to register and he said, "that site doesn't seem cac friendly... especially gay cacs."

I was for like 30m

dude seems to be very perceptive

 

[DEAD7]

science behind that or he just spitballing? Sounds like bible talk.

You don't believe the purpose of sex to be reproduction?

 

[ghostwriterx]

You don't believe the purpose of sex to be reproduction?

primary sure, but not the sole purpose.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

How can you refute that it isn't genetic when there is the androgen receptor genotype.

It's a gene that's passed only from male to their male child that causes the androgen receptors to bind to the testosterone of the developing fetus and cause it to significantly lower; presenting a baby born with a more "feminine brain."

How is that NOT genetic? How does one fight that exactly? Your coworker sounds ignorant, and needs to spend less time trying to educate anyone on this subject.

 

[rapbeats]

its nature and nurture

so if this is the case, whats up with the nurture part? because we cant do a darn thing about the nature. it is what it is (unless we come up with some other scientific method to correct the imbalance(but doing so would be admitting there was an IM-balance to begin with. therefore, a CORRECTION may need to be made. meaning something was INcorrect from the jump. thats darn near like saying a defect. now yall just called out oh boy for being a bigot because this was his line of thinking. how well do you think that would go over with the LGBT community? lol Now.. again lets talk NURTURE? what are some factors.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

Yes it can be genetic, but you have to make the conscious decision to act on it. It isn't involuntary by any means.

This is impossible because if this were true homosexual activity would not be expressed anywhere else except the human species. Only humans have a consciousness and the ability to contemplate and reflect. Animals and insects that engage in homosexual sex are acting off a natural internal impulse and desire outside of reproduction. They arent influenced by the "gay media", and they dont say "hmm....its time for me to experiment today". Tell your "friend" to go back to the drawing board with his theories.

 

[Majestyx]

Only humans have a consciousness and the ability to contemplate and reflect.

this isnt true.

 

[OneManGang]

I think a more interesting topic of debate is whether or not being gay is a disease. This is a pretty important distinction, as i'm sure many of you don't deny that there are diseases brought about by inadequate or missing hormonal/chemical signals in certain areas of the body. Could homosexuality be a case where normal development was not achieved? Obviously it doesn't stop anyone from being a productive member of society, so the negative connotations associated with the word "disease" may not ever be applicable to homosexuality, but just something to think about.

 

[ghostwriterx]

I think a more interesting topic of debate is whether or not being gay is a disease. This is a pretty important distinction, as i'm sure many of you don't deny that there are diseases brought about by inadequate or missing hormonal/chemical signals in certain areas of the body. Could homosexuality be a case where normal development was not achieved? Obviously it doesn't stop anyone from being a productive member of society, so the negative connotations associated with the word "disease" may not ever be applicable to homosexuality, but just something to think about.

Not sure disease is the word you're looking for, defect perhaps?