Perhaps that was an exaggeration, but its certainly true (as far as we can determine) of several animals that exhibit homosexual behavior.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior
IF being Gay is Genetic
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Perhaps that was an exaggeration, but its certainly true (as far as we can determine) of several animals that exhibit homosexual behavior.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior
OneManGang
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What's the difference? Defect is probably a bit more politically correct. But not by much i'd imagine.
Fair enough. You're correct to say that, but its being semantical. In this context, Im referencing the sort of meta cognitive reasoning, contemplation, and self reflection that is necessary among the 1,500 species that engage in homosexuality, in order to accomplish what humans supposedly accomplish when they ignore impulses, or self create desires, and contemplate homosexuality and its ramifications. Certainly the worm, who does engage in homo sex acts, isnt thinking on any higher plane of consciousness before or after the act. The highest level of non-human consciousness rarely extends beyond the primary, and the most basic idea of self-awareness, and for the vast majority of species its pure instinct. But you're technically right tho.
TheDarceKnight
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100%. I didn't choose to be straight. I just started liking girls one day. People just start liking what they like. I know a dude that came out at 25 and was mad that none of us cared, but it's like, "Man, we all knew you were gay in 6th grade. You want us to act surprised?" In all seriousness we probably knew before he did.
My mom is a school nurse and there's a 2nd grader there that she said is always talking about feeling trapped inside a girl's body, but feeling like a man. These sexual preferences and gender identity issues aren't things that people choose, whether it's nature, nurture, or a combination.
A lot of people say that if being gay was genetic then gay people would be "extinct" by now, but science has found evolutionary benefits to having gay people in any given community or population.
My belief that it's not a choice is also rooted in something very practical. Who in the actual fukk would choose a lifestyle that for sure, in most of the places on earth, will likely get you harmed, (bullied, insulted, attacked, harassed, or even raped or murdered, etc.) ? No one would choose that for themselves. I've often said that if I had a kid that was gay, the thing that would make me sad would be knowing that they will likely face a tougher life.
The idea that gay people as kids sat down one day with a pros and cons list for whether or not they want to like girls or boys just seems
As far as the 2nd bolded part, I agree also. If you're scared of gay people to the point where you actually are afraid of them and/or hate them...you're probably gay and hate yourself. Hating anyone for what they choose to do in bed is the ultimate insecurity.
I guess its just semantics, but if we're comparing it to other behaviors that have genetic influences ex. propensity to gain weight, then disease doesn't strike me as being the best way to categorize it.
Majestyx
Duck Season
thats all really. i'm not touching to homosex related stuff.but humans not animals(lol at folks still bringing this one up) have a right and an ability to CHOOSE to go out and have romantic relations with someone of the same/opposite sex or both. That is and has always been a choice. UNLESSSSS (nurture) someone turned them out without giving them said choice(diddlying a child at a very young age messing up his/her idea of sex for good. catching some young chick when she's wide open in her college age, or catching an older person when they are very vulnerable. it can happen that way as well.100%. I didn't choose to be straight. I just started liking girls one day. People just start liking what they like. I know a dude that came out at 25 and was mad that none of us cared, but it's like, "Man, we all knew you were gay in 6th grade. You want us to act surprised?" In all seriousness we probably knew before he did.
My mom is a school nurse and there's a 2nd grader there that she said is always talking about feeling trapped inside a girl's body, but feeling like a man. These sexual preferences and gender identity issues aren't things that people choose, whether it's nature, nurture, or a combination.
A lot of people say that if being gay was genetic then gay people would be "extinct" by now, but science has found evolutionary benefits to having gay people in any given community or population.
My belief that it's not a choice is also rooted in something very practical. Who in the actual fukk would choose a lifestyle that for sure, in most of the places on earth, will likely get you harmed, (bullied, insulted, attacked, harassed, or even raped or murdered, etc.) ? No one would choose that for themselves. I've often said that if I had a kid that was gay, the thing that would make me sad would be knowing that they will likely face a tougher life.
The idea that gay people as kids sat down one day with a pros and cons list for whether or not they want to like girls or boys just seems
As far as the 2nd bolded part, I agree also. If you're scared of gay people to the point where you actually are afraid of them and/or hate them...you're probably gay and hate yourself. Hating anyone for what they choose to do in bed is the ultimate insecurity.
But if we talk about that part of it. That means some of these folks are straight up vampires. attacking people and giving them the vampire disease/defect. or at minimum they are turning up the volumn on an already some what shaky person(not 100% sure they are straight but feels more straight then gay.. then they get turned out and its over from there.)
TheDarceKnight
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I don't disagree that that can happen. I think kids getting molested by same sex or opposite sex humans can fukk them up in all sorts of ways, both sexually and just in general. I sort of think that's a different issue. Maybe it isn't, I don't know. But your post is still giving an underlying assumption/starting point that being gay is a vampire gene/defect/disease or whatever you want to call it. Homosexuality is rampant in the animal kingdom, and it occurs naturally in species after species. Yes, as humans we have the power to make decisions that animals don't have, and I can decide whether or not I want to purse a sexual encounter with someone, but I don't feel any urges to pursue anyone of the same sex. So it's not like I'm thinking "Who do I want to fukk tonight, a man or a woman?" What's on my "menu" is women. Because that's who I'm attracted to. Someone that's gay would still have the urge to go for the same ex, despite that yes, obviously they could choose not to. But that's not a far cry from choosing not to take a shyt when you need to go to the bathroom IMO. Sex is necessary for a healthy life, and if the choice is to fukk someone of the same sex, or go without sex, then by all means I think you should go sleep with that person.
People can be on the fence about certain things in life, and then get "turned out". I agree that is definitely something that can happen with people. But again, I can't help but see the whole "vampire gene" argument as gay=bad. If someone gets sexually assaulted, and they end up being gay, and we could say with 100% certainty that they became gay because they were sexually abused as a child, but they go to therapy, become happy, accept what happened, and move on to have a partner, a family, etc. Would you see that as a bad thing? Or a less than ideal thing?
When I see sexual abuse my first thought isn't "fukk, this kid could be gay now." I'm not saying that's your first thought either. My first thought would just be "fukk, I hope this person is alright, but I'm pretty sure their life is gonna be fukked up in a lot of ways for a long time, if not forever." Them possibly becoming attracted to the same sex as a result is actually one of the least problematic things I see as a possible result of sexual abuse. To keep it on the sexual side of things, I'd be more worried about that person developing sex addiction, feeling like they need sex to feel loved, promiscuity, fear of commitment, inability to feel true intimacy, unable to trust their significant other, etc. "Will they become gay or not" wouldn't be my biggest concern in terms of the toll that would take on a person.
I hope I'm not offending. I appreciate the discussion.