If Big & Pac Didnt Die In Their Prime, How Many Of You Would Still Have Them In Your Top 5?

[Wacky D]

Honestly this is a stupid question....if Pac and Big are constantly held to higher regard today, wouldn't you expect the same if they were alive today?...

no.

because people who die while relevant, are usually immortalized after their death.

 

[kingofnyc]

I NEVER SAID THAT CHIT B.

here you go. i recall you misquoting me in a thread a few months ago on here as well. talembout "werent you the guy that said 'this & that'?"

stop trying to quote me fam.

R U fukking SERIOUS or just trolling

u just posted this

i think pac is the goat regardless. only one i MIGHT put ahead of him is rakim.

as for biggie, im not even sold on him being top 10 really. not so much because his catalog is small, but mainly because its not top 10-level impressive to me.

if u dont think he top 5
then why make the thread about him in da 1st place



real talk -no joke -not trying to funny or disrespectful .... but do u have A.D.D.

 

[Wacky D]

R U fukking SERIOUS or just trolling

u just posted this



if u dont think he top 5
then why make the thread about him in da 1st place

real talk -no joke -not trying to funny or disrespectful .... but do u have A.D.D.

so where does it say that hes not in my top 20?

and even if i actually did say that(which i didnt), its neither here nor there. and you obviously dont get the gist of the thread. you might want to exit stage left before your head really does explode like your smiley.

somethin wrong with u dog. lol.

 

[Wacky D]

Rakim changed the entire game in terms of rapping. Nobody rapped like him until he came along ...they rapped simple as hell.

And as for BIG? Dude one of the nicest ever. He wouldn't be as big without Puff? No, he wouldnt. But that's all part of the game tho. One person make music and another knows how to sell it. Jay would have been as big without Irv Gotti brokering a deal with Def Jam or without Dame Dash who was already working in the industry? I doubt it.

Dudes hail Pac and saying he was a star before death row. LOL Dude was a movie star! Dude did movies and was well known. Most of this business about publicity and staying in the spotlight. Pac was never in any conversation for the nicest until he got into all that drama and came home from jail.

rakim gets too much credit for that. people love to act as if dudes like kool moe dee and all of them didnt exist. hes far from being the 1st "non-simple" rapper. other than that, i agree with the rest.

at the very latest, pac was put into best-out convos when he dropped MATW. not when he got out of jail. cmon dog. thats low-ballin.

puff did more than just sell big's music. thats why you cant compare puff & big's situation to jay/dame or pac/suge(somebody tried that earlier). dame & suge are just businessmen. puff is hands-on with the music and was the brains behind the operation. hell he even pulled a good album out of modern-day jay. american gangster was the only hot album jay dropped since he came back outta "retirement". and puff was behind it. now how much credit you want to give to puff for big's success is another argument. but to act like puff didnt play a vital role in making biggie a mainstream star on the music end is just not right.

 

[kingofnyc]

so where does it say that hes not in my top 20?

and even if i actually did say that(which i didnt), its neither here nor there. and you obviously dont get the gist of the thread. you might want to exit stage left before your head really does explode like your smiley.

somethin wrong with u dog. lol.

u said it... plenty of times ...but forgot about that






im trying to understand why u made this thread


this is ur title

If Big & Pac Didnt Die In Their Prime, How Many Of You Would Still Have Them In Your Top 5?
Discussion in 'The Booth' started by Wacky D, Friday at 12:56 PM.

then u posted

i think pac is the goat regardless. only one i MIGHT put ahead of him is rakim.

as for biggie, im not even sold on him being top 10 really. not so much because his catalog is small, but mainly because its not top 10-level impressive to me.

shyt makes absolutely no fukking sense

 

[Wacky D]

u said it... plenty of times ...but forgot about that


im trying to understand why u made this thread

this is ur title

then u posted


shyt makes absolutely no fukking sense

dog. if i said the chit, i would stand by it. lol. what the hell do i have to lie about?

and if i said it plenty of times, then show me where i said it at least once.

YOU CANT. and you already proved that you cant read. me saying that he might not be in my top 10 does not equate to him not being in my top 20. STOP BEING STUPID.

and again, regardless of whether i allegedly said it or not; why should that stop me from making this thread? i asked you to explain this three times already. what is your logic? do you even have one? if anything, it would add more fuel to the fire and give me more reason to make the thread.

 

[kingofnyc]

dog. if i said the chit, i would stand by it. lol. what the hell do i have to lie about?

and if i said it plenty of times, then show me where i said it at least once.

YOU CANT. and you already proved that you cant read. me saying that he might not be in my top 10 does not equate to him not being in my top 20. STOP BEING STUPID.

and again, regardless of whether i allegedly said it or not; why should that stop me from making this thread? i asked you to explain this three times already. what is your logic? do you even have one? if anything, it would add more fuel to the fire and give me more reason to make the thread.

i never said u shouldnt have made this thread
i clearly stated u should have omitted da nikka whom u dont deem in ur top 5

 

[Budda]

wow, cant understand what most of you are talking about...

Rakim is a bum? BIG wouldnt be anywhere if it wasnt for Puff? lol

Rakim changed the entire game in terms of rapping. Nobody rapped like him until he came along ...they rapped simple as hell. You can say whatever you want about G Rap. He in my personal top 3 but he aint Ra. Ra's music has much more depth. And as for BIG? Dude one of the nicest ever. He wouldn't be as big without Puff? No, he wouldnt. But that's all part of the game tho. One person make music and another knows how to sell it. Jay would have been as big without Irv Gotti brokering a deal with Def Jam or without Dame Dash who was already working in the industry? I doubt it.

Dudes hail Pac and saying he was a star before death row. LOL Dude was a movie star! Dude did movies and was well known. Most of this business about publicity and staying in the spotlight. Pac was never in any conversation for the nicest until he got into all that drama and came home from jail. And that's not to shyt on the dead. Rest In Peace to both him and BIG. Pac was one of the biggest influences in music overall, not just hip hop. That was him though...he was larger than life in his presence and he made great music. He did movies, dissed Janet Jackson, Quincy Jones, went to jail, beat up the Hughes brothers, shot some cops, got shot and survived, rode on a whole bunch of people in his music, had memorable interviews, got targeted by the government, had beef with BIG, Nas and Mobb Deep, had friends on both coasts, spoke on social injustice and was charismatic. Dude was the complete package. Let him rap what he was rapping and just lay in the cut without all that extra stuff. You wouldnt even know who he was. But that's what made him great. It was him as a person and when he rapped ...right or wrong... you knew dude came from his heart.

Rakim, Nas and certain dudes never cared for the spotlight the same way. They don't love the camera. They move quiet and are introverted. They just wanted to be artistic and make bread in their own space without all the hoopla. Dre told Ra to bring the guns out. Ra said that wasnt him and fell back. Pac an extrovert. Suge came to him in jail and said "I got the money to help you with your situation. You gonna ride with us?" Dude said "let's ride" and was off to the races when he got out. Different type of people.

Who's better than who is all subjective. One person like vanilla ice cream, one dude like chocolate and another like cookies and cream. You can talk about so and so from that era is in your top 5 but really unless you were there to appreciate the fabric of that time you will miss all the subtleties. Rakim was massive in his time. He revolutionized emceeing completely. You can study it from the outside but you cant really feel it in its natural environment. Late 80s was a different feel completely. Dont care if how many times someone watch Paid In Full. You cant feel it in the air. You dont see the jeeps and the Troop and Task Force jackets and the excitement of the culture of that time. You are sitting here and you are experiencing something different reflecting on the data before you but completely are missing the spirit and soul of that era and the way those artists were reflections of those times and mentalities.

/thread

and i'm a yungin.

 

[ManBearPig]

Rakim kinda turned out to be a bum...

Rakim was never as big and his style was just about rapping about.... Rapping lol. That gets dated quicker

 

[hex]

Honestly this is a stupid question....if Pac and Big are constantly held to higher regard today, wouldn't you expect the same if they were alive today?...

No, they died at the peak of their careers and the height of their popularity. They never even had a chance to fall off so it's easy to imagine they never could, because they never can now.

That's like saying "50 Cent was on top of the world in '04, therefore he's on top of the world today". Nobody cares about 50 Cent today. If he died in '04 it would be a totally different story.

Fred.

 

[Wacky D]

i never said u shouldnt have made this thread
i clearly stated u should have omitted da nikka whom u dont deem in ur top 5

same thing. if i eliminated 1 of the 2 people in the thread title, then this thread doesnt exist.

it doesnt matter who is in my top 5 and who isnt. youre still missing the point.

lol. at least you got off of that "not top 20" bs.

 

[Danny Up]

i never said u shouldnt have made this thread
i clearly stated u should have omitted da nikka whom u dont deem in ur top 5

Dog, his opinion doesn't erase popular "opinion". When you ask most people who are top 5 mc's ever. You know they gonna give the same rehashed Biggie & Pac. I'm pretty sure most of them don't believe it, but it's just become the prerequisite to be a so called true hip hop fan. It's total bullshyt. Especially when neither of them were really held in that high of a regard in life.

 

[Nomad1]

No, they died at the peak of their careers and the height of their popularity. They never even had a chance to fall off so it's easy to imagine they never could, because they never can now.

That's like saying "50 Cent was on top of the world in '04, therefore he's on top of the world today". Nobody cares about 50 Cent today. If he died in '04 it would be a totally different story.

Fred.

It makes no sense since pac and big most likely would have dropped dope shyt if they didnt die...so they would still be i top 5s. And that shyt nikkas do if "x" rapper died bla bla naw if Nas died now you think he would be held with pac? or if he died when he beefed with jigger? Naw rap needed a hendrix or marley type nikka and pac and big fit the bill.

 

[Danny Up]

It makes no sense since pac and big most likely would have dropped dope shyt if they didnt die...so they would still be i top 5s. And that shyt nikkas do if "x" rapper died bla bla naw if Nas died now you think he would be held with pac? or if he died when he beefed with jigger? Naw rap needed a hendrix or marley type nikka and pac and big fit the bill.

Nas is already in most peoples top 5. 20 years deep in the game. If he died now, nothing would change. Eventually he would fall from that top 5.

 

[hex]

It makes no sense since pac and big most likely would have dropped dope shyt if they didnt die...

How could you possibly know that? It's impossible. You realize how many legendary rappers fell off, that were on top of the world at one point or another, in the last 30+ years?

The only reason you're sitting there talking about "they most likely would've dropped more dope shyt" is because you were rocking with them around the time they died. That has nothing to do with their chances of falling off.

Fred.