If God doesn't act, is he complicit?

[CW_1991]

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.” (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)


When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

Lol I grew up Christian where we are taught o naw it’s not talking about chattel slavery, that’s different. I grew up Christian and know the Bible probably better than you. My grandfather was a pastor. I have many many many more verses I can quote you on rape, slavery, murder, genocide... whatever you wamt

chattel slavery - Chattel slavery means that one person has total ownership of another. There are two basic forms of chattel, domestic chattel, with menial household duties and productive chattel, working in the fields or mines.

You're being hella disingenuous. More cherry picking. You need to read and comprehend that shyt in his proper context.

As I said, these things have went on since the very beginning. You're trying to combined and apply it to West coast African slaves narrative as if the books even talking about whites. It's not.

Your entire argument is coming from an emotional place.

If you're truly astute in the word you should understand what has been prophesied when it pertains to the scattered Israelites and the condition they would be placed in (for a time).

But I'm not about to get into a spiritual debate with you on here. Believe what you want.

 

[Deafheaven]

Christians and their constant juelzing and double talking

Im long past my uber atheist days but its always fun to wade in this sea of insanity with yall every once in a while.

If someone told you they say some talking aldritch abomination like the biblical angels youd call them crazy...and yet yall believe that book.

Make it make sense.

 

[Deafheaven]

And stop with the context argument. Its the words of god no? Why should falliable humans be tasked with discerning what god meant lol. I dont see a "except african slaves between 1500 and 1800 in a country that doesnt exist yet teehee" disclaimer anywhere in bible. Yall insufferable

 

[Thurgood Thurston III]

Is he complicit? No. If your parents tell you, "you're grown, you can make your own decisions". Then you go and rob a bank. Does that make them complicit? No.

If they knew and didn't stop you, does that make them complicit? No.

If they knew you were the wild type and were capable of such a crime, does that make them complicit? No.

They have nothing to do with the crime. They don't benefit from the crime. They're not even trying to benefit from the crime.

All that is on you.

God being omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent doesn't change the contract. You're allowed to make your own decisions. And you have to deal with consequences of them.

But the people getting harmed are also his children so that's not a good comparison.

Why would your parents allow you to be raped or killed if they could stop it?



If God even exists, there's no chance that he identifies with us at all.

Think about it. Why the fukk would an omnipotent eternal being care at all about humans? What does he get out of it?

We were likely a byproduct of God doing some other universe scale shyt.

 

[Wildhundreds]

You have to consider what God's ultimate goals are.

If the ultimate goal is to create beings with an easy immortal earthly life, then that probably wouldn't have been difficult. But how would it be difficult from a simulation, from just running a computer program?

If the ultimate goal is to create beings with true moral freedom, then you have to allow them to make their own choices. Even if they choose evil.

You might say, "But the consequences of choosing evil are too great!" Remember, though, that you only see the Earthly side. If our souls are truly eternal, then those Earthly consequences, bad as they may be, are only a small part of the big picture. God may have justice and healing in the long run far beyond what you and I see right now.

The key for us is to respond to what our hearts tell us to do in the here and now. To work to bring good, to stop suffering, to heal. THAT is what will build us most for both this life and for eternity.

And if there was not suffering, how would we ever develop those things? How would we ever learn compassion, sympathy, empathy? How would we even know to be good?

Man is too vain to do this.. If a human can put their own desires aside, and tend to the basic necessities of life for the next human.. Then yes, great strides can be made..

 

[CW_1991]

And stop with the context argument. Its the words of god no? Why should falliable humans be tasked with discerning what god meant lol. I dont see a "except african slaves between 1500 and 1800 in a country that doesnt exist yet teehee" disclaimer anywhere in bible. Yall insufferable

The Bible can't help if you have remedial comprehension skills. Just means you aren't meant to understand. You aren't an elect.

 

[Kitsune]

what if we are the painters and God is like a living canvas remembering and delivering back to man the ways he puts into it man consumes more than he produces...so creation eventually consumes him

if you didnt have free will and choice could you truly consider yourself an independent being? this is the consequence of existence.


the "serpent" is the human tongue

and the essence of how and why we think. Your heart forms your motivation of internal speech (our truest connection with God), your internal speech forms your ideas, your ideas form your thoughts, and your thoughts form your deeds.

the serpent is subtle because only its user truly understands its intent and perspective. Thus the "beguiling"

gnostics dont know what they are talking about

Ophiuchus holding serpentarius...while counseling with Heracles?

only metaphor worth mentioning in the text may be what the trees of eden would possibly be referring to, I don’t think it was a literal tree though the serpent was surely a literal participant, confirmed twice over. The serpent of old spoken on in Revelation, being cast down into the bottomless pit as judgement succeeding his domain over earthly affairs

 

[MMS]

Sorry breh but you not worth my time

In Egypt...Mt Sinai was sacred to the Goddess Hathor (transliterated as House of Horus or House of the King; Greek equivalent Gaia)

The original "slabs" of the ten commandments were supposedly made of pure sapphire
Tablets of Stone

which were dropped by Moses upon seeing the hebrews worshipping a golden calf (Mnevis, the herald of Ra and animal representation of Pharaoh)

Mnevis

In egypt they regularly consulted animals as intercessors for deities (Apis - Ptah, Mnevis - Ra, Buchis - Montu)

Montu is translated as: Image of Min OR Sah

In egypt divination was a regular practice. Prophecy was a job and a business and had become corrupt in Egypt thus the testimony of Moses to the Israelites.

which leads to this Pharaoh: Bakenranef

Most writers, however, agree in stating that once a disease, which horribly disfigured the body, broke out over Egypt; that king Bocchoris, seeking a remedy, consulted the oracle of Hammon, and was bidden to cleanse his realm, and to convey into some foreign land this race detested by the gods. The people, who had been collected after diligent search, finding themselves left in a desert, sat for the most part in a stupor of grief, till one of the exiles, Moses by name, warned them not to look for any relief from God or man, forsaken as they were of both, but to trust to themselves, taking for their heaven-sent leader that man who should first help them to be quit of their present misery. They agreed, and in utter ignorance began to advance at random. Nothing, however, distressed them so much as the scarcity of water, and they had sunk ready to perish in all directions over the plain, when a herd of wild asses was seen to retire from their pasture to a rock shaded by trees. Moses followed them, and, guided by the appearance of a grassy spot, discovered an abundant spring of water. This furnished relief. After a continuous journey for six days, on the seventh they possessed themselves of a country, from which they expelled the inhabitants, and in which they founded a city and a temple.

— Tacitus, Histories, 5.3

Proverbs 3:5-6

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;

6 in all your ways submit to him,
and he will make your paths straight.

 

[kevm3]

Christians and their constant juelzing and double talking

Im long past my uber atheist days but its always fun to wade in this sea of insanity with yall every once in a while.

If someone told you they say some talking aldritch abomination like the biblical angels youd call them crazy...and yet yall believe that book.

Make it make sense.

What's funny is atheists want to question everyone's religion but can't ever point to their own successful philosophies and policies. What were the powerful, long-lasting atheist civilizations throughout history?

 

[MMS]

only metaphor worth mentioning in the text may be what the trees of eden would possibly be referring to, I don’t think it was a literal tree though the serpent was surely a literal participant, confirmed twice over. The serpent of old spoken on in Revelation, being cast down into the bottomless pit as judgement succeeding his domain over earthly affairs

Revelation was written by gnostics and should not be taken literally.

It is a retelling of Genesis with a different thought process.

 

[null]

And stop with the context argument. Its the words of god no? Why should falliable humans be tasked with discerning what god meant lol. I dont see a "except african slaves between 1500 and 1800 in a country that doesnt exist yet teehee" disclaimer anywhere in bible. Yall insufferable

and just to jazz it up "god" gives people different levels of intelligence .. so that some understand faster than others and others are incapable of understanding at all.

bake in and guarantee differences in understanding, difference of opinion and ideological divergence.

sounds like a reasonable thing to do

 

[Kitsune]

Revelation was written by gnostics and should not be taken literally.

It is a retelling of Genesis with a different thought process.

Revelations in stark contrast to gnostic thought, it undermines the attempts of distortion and exposes the ultimate endgame of humanity and the consequences of those that pursued the lie

 

[MMS]

Revelations in stark contrast to gnostic thought, it undermines the attempts of distortion and exposes the ultimate endgame of humanity and the consequences of those that pursued the lie

the knowledge of good and evil is the path of man after consuming flesh. God commanded Noah after delivering him that he will require blood for blood for all man and beasts that perish. This is always overlooked in light of Exodus

Genesis 9:1-6

1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.

3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.

6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

 

[Deafheaven]

What's funny is atheists want to question everyone's religion but can't ever point to their own successful philosophies and policies. What were the powerful, long-lasting atheist civilizations throughout history?

IDK breh Im not atheist

Im agnostic because unlike brehs like you Im not nearly arrogant enough to say who and whose god is "right"

IRL I could care less what you goofies do unless yall try to bother me with it. Believe that bullshyt if you want

 

[WaveMolecules]

It's not for us to understand all the workings and meanings behind everything the Most High does.
We aren't his equal. Mind ya place

Pathetic