If God doesn't act, is he complicit?

[Wildhundreds]

what is quality of life? it can be erased in a second

just as easy as it is to live with material excess in a moment you could have no life to experience those things. When you say I'm a happy man compared to someone going to church...what is church? is church God?

Does church beat your heart, give sensation in your fingers, allow light to process in your brain, does church give you the ability to smell sweet things, to hear songs the love of women?

church does none of those things but god does all of those things to you. You experience god everyday whether you like him or dislike him. Can you offer existence to someone? I doubt it

you could give your seed to a woman, and she could abort it. She could raise the seed and keep it from you and there would be nothing you could say. You could raise the seed and he could be killed in an accident

you could live til 80 years old and have several grandchildren and still realize none of your seeds are you. And that as your breath draws to a close the very connection to god that allowed you to feel was always there even when you didnt care to acknowledge it. See belief in God is not about ritual but in understanding and of good health. You may not even realize you believe in God but you probably do...the issue for a nihilist is seeing God outside of yourself...because once you do see that you will open up a new chapter of your life that never ends

This heavy right here breh..

While reading the bible, and pulling away from church, I believe i see things clearly now..

That war between spirit and flesh is what's holding people back from seeing god.. And he is everywhere..

 

[Deafheaven]

Show me evidence of something coming from nothing. Show me a computer program with no lines of code that has produced a digital world. At that point, it wouldn't even be a computer program because there's no lines of code and nothing would be put on screen. Show me a random number generator that produces repeatable patterns that can be studied. You can't. But yet we're supposed to believe utter nothingness, chaos and randomness just exploded one day and created the laws of the universe and life. The only reason science exists is because the universe operates by LAW.

On the other hand I can show you 'computer programmers' who have essentially created worlds in their computers in which the adherents of those worlds are restricted by laws that the programmer isn't restricted by. Even a lot of scientists are starting to believe 'simulation theory'. Programming consists of words that programmers can use to create digital worlds. Why is it impossible to believe that God can do the same thing?
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

thats your big gotcha moment? since we don't know the inception of the universe it has to be god

whats next? the earth is only 6000 years old? Dinosaurs aren't real?

 

[Deafheaven]

The parody is you won't tell us your own beliefs but you are comfortable scrutinizing the belief of others. Come, tell us, how did this world come to be?

Can you read? Here I'll spell it out for you, I'm agnostic.

 

[Chrishaune]

Does God have limitations?

Jeremiah 32:27
"Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh; is there anything too difficult for Me?”

 

[MMS]

You see what happens when you ask religious folks for some direct, factual information they go off on these fantastical hypothetical diatribes.

Is this a parody I'm not aware of?

its no diatribe

its just truth, we live in grace. The circumstance of your birth required grace, getting through school and growing up you are in grace, your experiences throughout your life

if you perceive that all of it is random and by chance then it is so. But if you perceive that God has brought you through these things...day by day..year by year. You will understand what I'm trying to show you:

your own belief on reality is the limiter. If your belief is small then so is your reality. If you believe you live only once...its true. I'm not suggesting hocus pocus. I'm suggesting the truth of our being is a summation of our belief, intentions, and ultimately our deeds.

 

[Javed]

Imagine telling your girl "I love you the most, that's why I'm putting you through these trials and tribulations "

 

[Wildhundreds]

Can you read? Here I'll spell it out for you, I'm agnostic.

Agnostic simply means I don't believe in any particular God, I just believe there is someone bigger than humanity..

 

[Deafheaven]

its no diatribe

its just truth, we live in grace. The circumstance of your birth required grace, getting through school and growing up you are in grace, your experiences throughout your life

if you perceive that all of it is random and by chance then it is so. But if you perceive that God is brought you through these things...day by day..year by year. You will understand what I'm trying to show you:

your own belief on reality is the limiter. If your belief is small then so is your reality. If you believe you live only once...its true. I'm not suggesting hocus pocus. I'm suggesting the truth of our being can be summed to our belief and intentions.

Thats all fine and good but once again I can't exist in such hubris that I'm inherently more or less blessed than some kid who was born with no limbs, or a rape victim, or whatever atrocity you can think up. If I were to believe that god blessed me to exist to this point I would also have to believe he doomed others for no good reason. I'd much rather hope that life is just a random absurdity than some all powerful being lets all these ills happen and can wave them away but chooses not to. And no I'm not going to blame satan for these because he isn't the all powerful one. If I were to believe the bible he can only do what god allows him to.

 

[Wildhundreds]

1st John 2:


15Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever

If you don't understand this, you'll never see God..

Remember "flesh and blood cannot inherent the kingdom of God".. And im not manipulating scripture, thats actually a fact..

 

[Deafheaven]

Agnostic simply means I don't believe in any particular God, I just believe there is someone bigger than humanity..

Is that not a belief? I think all gods could be real, who knows. they could all be fake. I don't know.

 

[MMS]

Thats all fine and good but once again I can't exist in such hubris that I'm inherently more or less blessed than some kid who was born with no limbs, or a rape victim, or whatever atrocity you can think up. If I were to believe that god blessed me to exist to this point I would also have to believe he doomed others for no good reason. I'd much rather hope that life is just a random absurdity than some all powerful being lets all these ills happen and can wave them away but chooses not to. And no I'm not going to blame satan for these because he isn't the all powerful one. If I were to believe the bible he can only do what god allows him to.

why do you think people can be born disabled? lets have an honest discussion on it no bs

cause its something alot of people say but dont fully consider at a wide enough scale

EDIT also

Sah-Tatenen (transliterated - Perceived Spirit of the Risen Land)

I believe this is where the "Shaddai" in El Shaddai comes from

 

[Deafheaven]

why do you think people can be born disabled? lets have an honest discussion on it no bs

cause its something alot of people say but dont fully consider at a wide enough scale

defects in their DNA, radiation, parents taking drugs, all manners of things. I'm curious where you are going with this so yeah lets have a honest discussion

 

[Wildhundreds]

Is that not a belief? I think all gods could be real, who knows. they could all be fake. I don't know.

Its being realistic IMO..

What christians didn't learn in church was that the love of God was the ability to deny himself, to serve others.. In order to do that, you have to see the world from their eyes..
Love is the fulfillment of the law.. Salvation is between the individual and the God they serve. So even in disagreement, God still requires coexistence..

That punishing someone in the pit of fire, and everything else that comes with beliefs, is from man.. The flesh..

 

[MMS]

defects in their DNA, radiation, parents taking drugs, all manners of things. I'm curious where you are going with this so yeah lets have a honest discussion

does inbreeding not cause DNA defects?

can a shepherd or a farmer find themselves bombarded by radiation other than from the sun?

Who makes drugs?

All manner of things are possible you see. A two headed snake, a person with no arms, a bird born with no wings. Consider that creation is an infinite creation...therefore inside this infinite creation there are infinite possibilities. Such that everything that comes into being and comes out of being are summed in this perceivably infinite thing

If your spirit...your soul was a point source. Where did it exist prior to your birth? where does it go when you are dead?

When we say something dies...we can tell ourselves that clearly that other creature is inanimate...but by that same token are we dead before we're born?

you might already existed and dont know...if we are born by something infinite...then by proxy are we infinite? Suggest this is true...then the possibilities of who and what we are change at will.

In other words...your (or somebodys) present circumstance only means something within the present lifetime. If you existed prior to it or after it...your current perception of life is not affected either way. Which means IF you did say...were born again..you would not know the suffering or pleasure you had prior

 

[Deafheaven]

does inbreeding not cause DNA defects?

can a shepherd or a farmer find themselves bombarded by radiation other than from the sun?

Who makes drugs?

All manner of things are possible you see. A two headed snake, a person with no arms, a bird born with no wings. Consider that creation is an infinite creation...therefore inside this infinite creation there are infinite possibilities. Such that everything that comes into being and comes out of being are summed in this perceivably infinite thing

If your spirit...your soul was a point source. Where did it exist prior to your birth? where does it go when you are dead?

When we say something dies...we can tell ourselves that clearly that other creature is inanimate...but by that same token are we dead before we're born?

you might already existed and dont know...if we are born by something infinite...then by proxy are we infinite? Suggest this is true...then the possibilities of who and what we are change at will.

In other words...your (or somebodys) present circumstance only means something within the present lifetime. If you existed prior to it or after it...your current perception of life is not affected either way. Which means IF you did say...were born again..you would not know the suffering or pleasure you had prior

I mean this is encroaching onto more philosophical musings than anything christianity based imo. All that is possible, who knows. Hell even the stories in the OT are "possible" as peoples perception of things were decidedly more archaic than our understanding now. A lot of genetic defects can definitely be traced back to tangible reasons though. This is conversation that is a lot more geared towards spirituality tbh.