Religion/Spirituality If God has a plan for everyone how do we have freewill?

[Mr Rager]

i'm not making an argument that those are the only two choices, i simply presented two choices. If there are others feel free to add them. I also did not claim that because one is then the other isn't. Or that one is right and one is wrong.

You really should look up what false dichotomy means as it does not apply here.

I don't want to prolong an argument with nit picky details, but that is EXACTLY what you said...

I understand it's difficult to comprehend particularly when you don't believe in God but that's the answer IMHO. You can choose to believe and have a relationship with God and go to heaven or choose not to and don't go to heaven everything else is just noise....

I think YOU should look up the definition of false dichotomy, as it directly applies to your own statement.

Another problem I have with that statement is that you are assuming that there even IS a heaven.

 

[LurkMoar]

@tmonster like i said homey you really aren't searching for answers, or at least you don't find any answers you like or answers you think you like

 

[tmonster]

Not exaclty that, Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins so that we may be saved. he took our sin and was sacrifices for it and so we are no longer bound by sin but free in him. but thats the thing we can still refuse to follow God and choose to live in sin.

God allowed free will and with our free will we choose sin.

the Cause of Human pain and suffering are/is Humans themselves

you are not making sense

 

[LurkMoar]

you are not making sense

do you have any experience with the bible? ever read it?

 

[tmonster]

A false dilemma, or false dichotomy, is a logical fallacy which involves presenting two opposing views, options or outcomes in such a way that they seem to be the only possibilities: that is, if one is true, the other must be false, or, more typically, if you do not accept one then the other must be accepted.

A new challenger has entered the game

 

[tmonster]

do you have any experience with the bible? ever read it?

oh yeah
trust me most atheists have read the bible more than religious people, that's how they usually become atheists

 

[tmonster]

i'm not making an argument that those are the only two choices, i simply presented two choices.

except for the little fact that you said...*ahem* and I quote

You can choose to believe and have a relationship with God and go to heaven or choose not to and don't go to heaven everything else is just noise....

hell you did me than ignore the other choices, you flat out invalidated them

 

[hayesc0]

oh yeah
trust me most atheists have read the bible more than religious people, that's how they usually become atheists

 

[LurkMoar]

oh yeah
trust me most atheists have read the bible more than religious people, that's how they usually become atheists

i guess you already have your answer then

 

[Brown_Pride]

I don't want to prolong an argument with nit picky details, but that is EXACTLY what you said...



I think YOU should look up the definition of false dichotomy, as it directly applies to your own statement.

Another problem I have with that statement is that you are assuming that there even IS a heaven.

of course i'm assuming there's a heaven i'm assuming theirs a god. That's what a blind belief is, an assumption that something is there with no proof. I don't think that's the gotcha moment you wanted it to be though

 

[Mr Rager]

of course i'm assuming there's a heaven i'm assuming theirs a god. That's what a blind belief is, an assumption that something is there with no proof. I don't think that's the gotcha moment you wanted it to be though

Just curious, would you still have a relationship with God if there was no Heaven? Or do you only have a "relationship" with Him because you believe you are going to be rewarded for it?

I'm not looking for a "gotcha" moment breh. Just having discourse.

 

[Mr Rager]

why did god allow sin to exist in the world in the first place?
why have this existence that's riddled with pain at all?

I can pretty much guarantee you will never get acceptable answers to these questions

Spoiler

Because there are none

 

[tmonster]

i guess you already have your answer then

That's why I don't ask myself these questions
I was asking you for your answer, that's sort of how this question and answer thing works

 

[hayesc0]

I asked this on here before and I doubt I will get a answer for the christians on here how do you feel about premarital sex and have you had or do you continue to have premarital sex?

 

[hayesc0]

still waiting.