If Jay Z never hooked up with Beyonce, what would his position be right now?

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LOL.....cats coming at my sideways cuz a 50 year old white guy asked me if Hov is married to Beyonce. You nikkas is lame.

Obviously 50 got a point cuz If people wouldn't know Bey they would of never heard about Hov.
What do you mean? So your 50 year old white guy who knew Jay-z through Beyonce is your inference for no one knowing Jay-z in Europe :snoop:

There's a lot of people that know both independently, some that knows Jay-z through Beyonce and some that only know Beyonce. That's not just true in Europe, this is most likely true in the jungle down south too.

Just cause you meet a person from one of these subsets doesn't mean that they represent the whole set.
 

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I know this thread is a lil chatty patty butbi was reading the other jay thred and I saw this concept pop us as reason to why jay is still popular or whatever I think Beyonce has overshadowed him to the point that people don't know why the fk jay is a legend and important.
 

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U think that same old white man knew who 50 ect. Is? Ask a hip hop fan from Europe if they know who jay was. I'm pretty much 100% they do. That comparison is silly. Old whites in America barley know who he, Wayne and whoever the most popular artist.


But anyway jayZ did more for Beyoncé solo career then the other way around
You buggin

Beyoncé is like the biggest icon since Michael Jackson
 

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This is a weird question, we don't know what would happen to any of them. If Jay never met Ty-ty he might've been working at Microsoft for all we know.
When they first got together they both did the same numbers and they've been doing the same numbers since then in terms of sales. Sometimes Jay moves more, sometimes less at least in the US.

No one is buying Jay-z albums due to Beyonce or vice versa. And his business moves have nothing to do with Beyonce, more like Steve Stoute, Jay Brown and those type of people. As far as international fame outside of music, yes Beyonce has obviously helped that. Just like it has helped Beyonce by being in a "power couple".

And her letting Jay-z takeover her career from her father was the best thing she ever did in terms of focusing on putting out dope music, real issues and becoming a respected legend instead of a girly airhead who just put out a bunch of mediocre hits in which she had no creative input. No one knows what changed that.


Is that why he's been filling tours and headlining festivals for like 10 years in several European countries :jbhmm:. Cause unknown people usually do that.


What has helped Jay-z the most is him putting out big pop songs, that's what takes your world wide. Dirt off your shoulder targets hiphop fans, ESOM and Forever Young etc targets pop fans. But in 2016, any dope hiphop targets pop fans.
Jay z didn't takeover Beyoncé career. She has her own team.
 

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First of all, jay z was not "hip hops leader" in 2002. He was never as famous as Eminem, nelly, or 50. Even DMX was bigger than jay for awhile. Jay marrying beyonce definitely helped him pull the wool over people's eyes. I'm a huge jay fan but people act like he was the second coming of Jesus in his heyday. Now his longevity in itself is amazing, don't get it twisted. But beyonce definitely helped him stay relevant.
 

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First of all, jay z was not "hip hops leader" in 2002. He was never as famous as Eminem, nelly, or 50. Even DMX was bigger than jay for awhile. Jay marrying beyonce definitely helped him pull the wool over people's eyes. I'm a huge jay fan but people act like he was the second coming of Jesus in his heyday. Now his longevity in itself is amazing, don't get it twisted. But beyonce definitely helped him stay relevant.
relevance is overrated. Kardashians are relevant for goodness sake.
 

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I can't say I've ever heard anyone buying Jay's shyt because of Beyonce or vice versa. Their fans do not cross like that. In fact I'd think most Beyonce fans don't even like Jay. Jay would be exactly where he's at now. His position is based on the mystique as the best rapper and business man that he's established for himself and that's it.
 

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I can't say I've ever heard anyone buying Jay's shyt because of Beyonce or vice versa. Their fans do not cross like that. In fact I'd think most Beyonce fans don't even like Jay. Jay would be exactly where he's at now. His position is based on the mystique as the best rapper and business man that he's established for himself and that's it.
Nah plenty of Beyonce fans buy into the Romeo and Juliet aspect of them. They all over Instagram.
 

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Can't even fathom the amount of man booty the fakkit ass, broke ass OP had his face stuffed in to afford the amt of crack he had to smoke to suggest the GOAT our Flow Lord and Lyrical Savior Hova Da Gawd's GOATness has a fukking thing to do with Beyawnce aka Beyuckce aka Hepatitis Bey aka Syphilis Fierce aka the GOAT our Flow Lord and Lyrical Savior Hova Da Gawd's in house skeet box aka Blue Ivy Thotler's fetus killing female cuckhold mother

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He'd still be the GOAT rapper/icon/businessman worth at least $600m, but he'd be a father of 2 instead of one cuz whatever hoe he wifed wouldn't be a pathetic, fetus killing slut who was so jealous of the GOAT's success she took a rusty hanger & some bleach to her decrepit wasteland of a womb and killed his child then low key leaked the news to the media to garner sympathy and keep her wack ass career on track with that god awful music she be torturing ppl with

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That's the thing...every move Jay makes is a chess move so saying things like what if Hov never hooked up with bey is like saying what if Hov never made the 40/40 club or supported drinking forays instead of cristal. Jay didn't let his demons get to him like dmx, 50, etc.
 

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U think that same old white man knew who 50 ect. Is? Ask a hip hop fan from Europe if they know who jay was. I'm pretty much 100% they do. That comparison is silly. Old whites in America barley know who he, Wayne and whoever the most popular artist.


But anyway jayZ did more for Beyoncé solo career then the other way around
No jay didn't !!

This lady always had a bigger audience and more money .

She's doing stadiums now not arenas :damn:
 
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