If lebron wins this he is the co goat

[USSInsiders]

the "co GOATS" will always be Russell and MJ


Lebron is amazing to watch though, like a 60% Magic and 40% MJ mix.

and 100% fakkit choke artist

 

[Amphibious]

That's my GOAT

 

[Maluma]

So are you saying jordan was the biggest superstar of all-time and no one will ever surpass his stardom?

Your argument falls apart when there are stars bigger than lebron, competing and beating him out within the same space that he is in. Why isn't he flourishing in that same space? There has to be a biggest star just as there was in jordan's day. The reason why lebron isn't the biggest and not only won't ever reach jordan's stardom, but won't even reach the stardom of the biggest stars today, is because as I said before, his game doesn't lend itself to gather a mass following.

Lebron has been in the league for 12 years, and as I stated before, what dirt can you find out about him? Your potential downfall theory means no one would follow anyone. Kim Kardashian has a sex tape and is seen the world over as a smut and has more twitter followers than lebron james. Chris brown beat the shyt outta rihanna and only a third less twitter followers. A person's personal life doesn't stop one from getting big if you are truly talented and great. Katy perry has 70 million twitter followers.

Lebron will never have that mythical reach because there is nothing mythical about him.

I don't think you understand his point. The internet/social media have created a mass splintering effect. Since everyone can go on the internet, they can choose what they want to see and hear at the drop of a hat versus in the early 90's (and up until 2000 at the latest) it was much easier to have a directed marketing approach since everyone was still using a TV as their primary means of information on the outside world.

 

[YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy]

I'm saying Jordan's legacy was boosted in part by the media machine that came into prominence during his era.
It's not that no one will ever surpass him. I'm not even saying Jordan is the greatest.

I stated pretty clearly in my 1st post in this thread that I think that "greatness" thing depends on your age and your era.

If you think that Jordan would be the same mega-star that he is now if he played in the 1960s, you're out of your mind.

Like I said - and I see you didn't address this point- your argument of potential downfalls being a reason why LeBron could never reach Jordan's level of stardom makes no sense. If potential downfalls were a reason then no one would follow anyone and no companies would invest in anyone. That isn't the case, especially with LeBron who makes more money from endorsements than basketball. He peddles more products than any athlete in America. He is the most visible athlete in America.

No athlete has been more hyped up and propped up by the "media machine" than the "chosen one", "the king". The only difference between Jordan's hype and LeBron's hype is that Jordan's hype came from his game that lured people in. LeBron's hype came from the media telling you he would be the greatest thing you've ever witnessed on the court. Once people tuned in and saw that wasn't the case, they tuned out. That's why he'll never reach the level of stardom of Jordan. Not because of some media contrived strategy to propel Jordan unlike any other athlete. There are current athletes and entertainers more popular than LeBron with far fewer endorsements than him.

 

[seemorecizzy]

Wtf

 

[Loose]

What was the shooting percentages :drink:

 

[IGSaint12]

What was the shooting percentages :drink:

Pretty efficient if you look them up. The funny thing is that people think that Kobe is inefficient just because of recent years but in his prime Kobe was efficient especially when he went on his scoring runs.

 

[Swagnificent]

I remember that 43 point game. It was against the Warriors. Kobe just came off 4 straight games with 50+ point games (2 being 60 point outings). Dude was making it look so easy that nikkas were shocked he didn't score 50 that night.

just think about that. not scoring 50 was considered an off-game for him during that stretch.

 

[Swagnificent]

What was the shooting percentages :drink:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/gamelog/2007/

From March 16, 2007 - April 18, 2007, Kobe Bryant had 7 50+ point games in 17 games. During that stretch he averaged 40.3 PPG (on 47.3 FG%), 5.4 RPG, 4.4 APG. Dude was basically dropping 50 every other night for a MONTH!!!

GOAT scoring stretch since Wilt.

 

[Big Boss]

The recent "marketing/nike/gatorade made jordan" narrative has to be the silliest, most poorly thought out argument against Jordan's greatness. Jordan made moments. Lebron talks about moments he could make if he wanted to but never does. That's all it comes down to. Jordan made dramatic moments that made you talk about him (shrug, switching hand layup on magic, shot on ehlo, dunk from free throw line, final shot vs jazz, two 3-peats, etc). Nike/Gatorade didn't make those moments.Those weren't CGI created moments. Jordan's style of play, dominance of the game, game-winning shots are what lured people in. Without those, there is nothing to sell/market/etc. Like chris rock said of drugs, "you don't sell drugs; they sell themselves". You didn't have to sell Jordan to the people. His game sold him. Something lebron's game (brute force, unimaginative, insecure, confused look under pressure), as you mentioned, can't do, which is why he's always running his mouth, trying to tell you what he can do without ever doing it. Lebron is his own biggest fan and worst enemy: "I can win the dunk contest, i can shoot 90% from the line, I can cover all 5 positions - gimme a DPOY award, gimme 37 shots and I'm scoring 70". GOAT sports clown.

If the "marketing hype machine" benefited jordan, then it damn sure should benefit lebron. You don't think nike and them would love to go from one cash cow to the next? Lebron is a goody-two-shoe, you can't find any dirt on him. Ain't no better athlete to market right now than lebron if nike wanted to make another MJ. No cheating on his wife, no PED use, no orgies, no domestic violence, no drug use, no arrests, no anything. Family man, great teammate, creates a fun environment for his teammates. He is a marketer's dream. But his game is so fukking ugly, you cant trick people into liking it or him. His career is one big ass loop of him donkey konging his way to the hoop for a clumsy layup or one handed dunk. There was nothing to hype or sell or trick the people about Jordan's game. You didn't have to be told that what you were watching was great as you have to do with lebron. Marketing didn't cease to exist once Jordan retired. At the end of the day, Lebron's game and accomplishments aren't as marketable as Jordan's.

Exactly nikka didn't even want to enter the dunk contest

 

[Big Boss]

Like I said - and I see you didn't address this point- your argument of potential downfalls being a reason why LeBron could never reach Jordan's level of stardom makes no sense. If potential downfalls were a reason then no one would follow anyone and no companies would invest in anyone. That isn't the case, especially with LeBron who makes more money from endorsements than basketball. He peddles more products than any athlete in America. He is the most visible athlete in America.

No athlete has been more hyped up and propped up by the "media machine" than the "chosen one", "the king". The only difference between Jordan's hype and LeBron's hype is that Jordan's hype came from his game that lured people in. LeBron's hype came from the media telling you he would be the greatest thing you've ever witnessed on the court. Once people tuned in and saw that wasn't the case, they tuned out. That's why he'll never reach the level of stardom of Jordan. Not because of some media contrived strategy to propel Jordan unlike any other athlete. There are current athletes and entertainers more popular than LeBron with far fewer endorsements than him.

Exactly especially not showing up in the 2011 finals.

Jordan always showed up in the finals.

 

[Lewis Black]

Lebrooooooooon jamessssssssssssss

 

[Lewis Black]

We getting closer and closer

 

[BujuBoombastic]

This GOAT stuff is bullshyt.

If you are 60 years old, you probably consider Wilt or Russell to be the best ever.

If you're 35-50, you probably think MJ is the best ever. But MJ had the added benefit of coming into his prime at the same time that the marketing/media/hype machine came into prominence. There were no "I wanna be like Wilt" campaigns in the 1960s.

If you're under 35 you probably think Kobe is the best ever.

Lebron also suffers a bit because people in this era don't see the greatness of a bigger, more powerful player. The last 30 years have seen the great players often being seen as Guards. Julius Erving, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant...

People don't appreciate guys like Tim Duncan, Lebron James, Karl Malone....powerful taller players who don't necessarily exhibit flashy crossovers and stuff like that.

But it's funny to me though. There are guys on the coli who complain that Timmy and Lebron aren't exciting to watch...but scream about how Floyd Mayweather Jr is the best ever, as if he's giving the fans exciting Arturo Gatti-esque battles in the ring...rather than landing 8-16 for 36 minutes and just flat-out beating his opponents.

Let them hate, breh. It's ridiculous, but let dem hate. They won't listen to legitimate facts.