If Meek Exposed A More Credible MC, Would The Reaction Be Different?

[S.W.A.G.]

Also. Drake was raised on Jay-Z
His fans BEEN changing the rules for years now.

"He doesnt need to battle him."
"Nah..he's paying homage"

Remember when Cam released I'm not a writer im a biter? that was 7-8 minutes of Jay stealing other rappers lines.
If cam released that and exposed a more credible mc would the reaction be different???

games been fukked up

This is a really good point. Drake has reached Jay Z level in terms of fan base, durability and sustainability. Alot of comparisons especially the whole writer I'm not a biter.

- Jay Z lost to Nas
- Dropped duds with RKelly and sad cross-over attempts with Linkin Park
- Got beat up by his wife's sister
- Losing with Tidal

and so on...and still the mainstream sticks by him and he is untarnished. Moreover, as an artist and alongside 'his team', Drake remains a talented force. The way he dealt with the battle was precise and measured. He is bullet-proof at the moment, and that is not really good for hip hop purists.

I just wonder if Drake is now so cocky having won his first major battle, he'd go at Kendrick to cement his spot at number 1. One can hope...

 

[Mac Casper]

It made headlines and trended on all social media. His PR team worked overtime to make sure public perception of those diss tracks was the way they wanted it. This tells you the establishment is heavily invested in his career


. . if a more "credible mc" was exposed . . yes it would mean more because credibility represents a larger part of this artists market share. They probably talking some conscious bullshyt and have no mainstream casuals to defend them . . they'll just lose credibility among their "credible mc" audience

 

[luckyse7enz]

Here's the thing and let's just end it here:

Meek lost because 1)

1. He handled everything like a whiny, outraged bytch. No one likes emotional outraged whiny bytches, ESPECIALLY on Twitter. No one was saying anything to him and he had an emotional Twitter outburst to start this whole Drake that. Lost respect immediately for handling it that way after public perception just saw Drake hold him down with"R.I.C.O." and everyone remembered that Drake held Meek down when he was locked up and on "Amen".

He essentially made himself the male Azealia banks by going that route. Didn't keep it hip-hop. Didn't make it about the music by addressing it in a track. Just a grown man whining on the net like a nerd when he's supposed to be a street rapper that's all about the bars. He herbed himself, but it wasn't all bad until...

2. "Charged Up" happened, which was basically Drake going "You got a problem? *takes glove off and slaps Meek with it* Run my fade on wax..." and instead of just addressing it with a track, he gets Funkmaster Flex involved. By getting Flex involved, he made it UNCOOL to ride for his side. Flex lamed Meek's entire agenda up and when they hyped up a response and didn't deliver, it made them look like lying attention whores.

So now you're a jealous, snitching, disloyal, cowardly attention whore.

Then, he trolled with the fake response video where he's screaming in it.

So now you're a jealous, snitching, disloyal, cowardly attention whore troll...and you're supposed to be a street rapper all about the bars.

3. He keep it on Twitter, got hit with "Back 2 Back" which sonned him, and dug his own grave by once again including a woofing Flex who made people wait nearly 2 hours for a VERY underwhelming diss track. It was just WAY too contrived. Didn't seem like they had any real interests of hip-hop in mind, just ratings and exposure. THAT'S why people don't really care.

It doesn't matter what it is. If you call someone out that helped you for no reason when you have a history of being emotional and disloyal, no one's going to ride for you and people love seeing the big mouth get his just desserts.

The whole thing just reeked of "I know you're better than me, so I've got a team and an entire scheme set to destroy you", but he bit off way more than he could chew, so it didn't matter whether he was right or not. No one likes a lame tattletale that gangs up on someone and whines when he gets his ass kicked.

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

so because meek didnt drop a hot track, that means that we're supposed to forget about the ghostwriting & the reference tracks? LOL.

1.) there shouldnt have even been a battle after those reference tracks were dropped. in fact, drake still hasnt even addressed the situation.
2.) how did he lose the battle? dude dropped a dam sampler track and then got ambushed on social media. people wanted him to "lose" from the door. this thing is far from over.
3.) this meek/drake thing really aint about diss records. cuz drake didnt drop a hot one either. lets be reality.

They say that I don't write enough/i think they're mad 'cause I got the Midas touch...

 

[CrimsonTider]

Nah I'm beginning to think it wouldn't matter...

I'm still shocked that actual Drake fans don't care that he didn’t write his own shyt.


But then I realized that this a generation of people who have said that lyrics don't matter as long as the song sounds good

So why would they care about who wrote the lyrics that they don't care about in the first place

Why should someone care about this?

Does it make the music sound different?

People are just here to enjoy good music.

This is a really good point. Drake has reached Jay Z level in terms of fan base, durability and sustainability. Alot of comparisons especially the whole writer I'm not a biter.

- Jay Z lost to Nas
- Dropped duds with RKelly and sad cross-over attempts with Linkin Park
- Got beat up by his wife's sister
- Losing with Tidal

and so on...and still the mainstream sticks by him and he is untarnished. Moreover, as an artist and alongside 'his team', Drake remains a talented force. The way he dealt with the battle was precise and measured. He is bullet-proof at the moment, and that is not really good for hip hop purists.

I just wonder if Drake is now so cocky having won his first major battle, he'd go at Kendrick to cement his spot at number 1. One can hope...

His spot is already cemented at 1 and it isn't even close. Kendrick isn't even number thats J Cole

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

listen man, all you dudes coming in here on some fanatic cheerleading chit, take that nonsense to another thread.

im just asking a simple question.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

No meek had the last track. That's what I'm saying. If it was good people would be talking about that and quoting lines and so on and so forth.
What Meek did was drop a track that is impossible to differentiate from his other yelling tracks. he's the butt of everyone's jokes.

Meek thought that the reference tracks were enough. He should have had an explosive track in the stash to step on drake and squish him into the ground.
the fact he dropped such an embarrassing dis made everyone forget about the reference tracks.

and what do u want?? its 2015
for years the biggest rapper Was a COP! who lied about being a cop. and then admitted to being A COP!

no one cares about credibility. and NO ONE cares about lyrics anymore.
meek could have made this more of a talking point but got embarrassed

you keep arguing about meek and his track. listen man, i dont know how many times i have to say i dont give a dam about meek!!! and its not like drake's tracks were worth a dam either. this whole chit is just weird.

if hip-hop was where it was supposed to be, the reference tracks shouldve been enough. this doesnt even call for a battle. it calls for a dam expulsion. thats what youre not comprehending. youre too caught up in the hype.

rick ross wasnt a cop. he was a CO. he couldve easily said some generic chit to talk his way out of that. he messed up by trying to deny it. dude was clearly fake from jump anyway. i knew a some sort of silly scandal was trailing his ass. but thats just side chit. thats for real d-boys and goons to be mad about. i'm more concerned with people pump-faking on the art. most of the people dwelling on rick ross' CO job aint never seen no parts of the streets.

Also. Drake was raised on Jay-Z
His fans BEEN changing the rules for years now.

"He doesnt need to battle him."
"Nah..he's paying homage"

Remember when Cam released I'm not a writer im a biter? that was 7-8 minutes of Jay stealing other rappers lines.
If cam released that and exposed a more credible mc would the reaction be different???

games been fukked up

nobody was saying that jay-z didnt need to battle cam except for jay-z groupies who were shook.

cam served jay-z, but i could care less about that "writer not a biter" joint.

jay was just paying homage. its not like there were a bunch of instances of him taking lines from obscure songs. his selections were basic. if people felt bamboozled and didnt know those lines already, then thats their problem for not knowing chit.

jay-z did ALOT of harm to hip-hop but this isnt on my list.

 

[BO BARON]

You idiots aren't really understanding what OP really getting at

1. If this was somebody like jcole kdot or pusha t that meek exposed especially with flex dropping the reference tracks there wouldn't be a rap battle their careers would be over. Not to say their more respected rappers or better but their fanbase are built off hip-hop

2. Drakes fanbase social media & popularity won this battle his diss records were cool & Meeks was definitely a let down. But everybody rushed meek to respond. Most well known rap beefs went on for months even years & it was many shytty or forgettable dis records that were released. The world gave meek a few days to construct a great diss record & but he can't even redeem himself. Even ja had many chances to respond or at least vent.

3. Why the fukk doesn't having ghostwriters or writers matter to you'll. Please answer that??

You mean to tell me if you found out nas used blatant ghostwriters through out his career you would let that slide because hip-hop wouldn't.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

It made headlines and trended on all social media. His PR team worked overtime to make sure public perception of those diss tracks was the way they wanted it. This tells you the establishment is heavily invested in his career


. . if a more "credible mc" was exposed . . yes it would mean more because credibility represents a larger part of this artists market share. They probably talking some conscious bullshyt and have no mainstream casuals to defend them . . they'll just lose credibility among their "credible mc" audience

yea this is what im getting at.

great post.

i want to see the people who were arguing with me respond to that. this is getting good.

drake's PR team got people acting like he dropped the bomb, when in reality drake's tracks were just as sorry. the 1st one was the worst of the whole thing, but of course nobody calls him out on it. instead, they want to talk in kayfabe and ignore the real topic.

 

[Ineedmoney504]

Here's the thing a lot of people are blatantly ignoring.

Meek dropped a forgettable dis track. He lost the battle.
So the reference tracks and all the tweets just got caught up and lost in the whirlwind.

If meek dropped an actually good dis track it would be a different story

meek fans still blaming everything else but meek

Are you implying Meek is a credible mc? He is C-list at best, and I only heard 2 tracks from him.

You nikkas are simply embarrassing at this point. All the umad variations I have bookmarked can't even explain it. Take that L and shut the fukk up

Here's the thing and let's just end it here:

Meek lost because 1)

1. He handled everything like a whiny, outraged bytch. No one likes emotional outraged whiny bytches, ESPECIALLY on Twitter. No one was saying anything to him and he had an emotional Twitter outburst to start this whole Drake that. Lost respect immediately for handling it that way after public perception just saw Drake hold him down with"R.I.C.O." and everyone remembered that Drake held Meek down when he was locked up and on "Amen".

He essentially made himself the male Azealia banks by going that route. Didn't keep it hip-hop. Didn't make it about the music by addressing it in a track. Just a grown man whining on the net like a nerd when he's supposed to be a street rapper that's all about the bars. He herbed himself, but it wasn't all bad until...

2. "Charged Up" happened, which was basically Drake going "You got a problem? *takes glove off and slaps Meek with it* Run my fade on wax..." and instead of just addressing it with a track, he gets Funkmaster Flex involved. By getting Flex involved, he made it UNCOOL to ride for his side. Flex lamed Meek's entire agenda up and when they hyped up a response and didn't deliver, it made them look like lying attention whores.

So now you're a jealous, snitching, disloyal, cowardly attention whore.

Then, he trolled with the fake response video where he's screaming in it.

So now you're a jealous, snitching, disloyal, cowardly attention whore troll...and you're supposed to be a street rapper all about the bars.

3. He keep it on Twitter, got hit with "Back 2 Back" which sonned him, and dug his own grave by once again including a woofing Flex who made people wait nearly 2 hours for a VERY underwhelming diss track. It was just WAY too contrived. Didn't seem like they had any real interests of hip-hop in mind, just ratings and exposure. THAT'S why people don't really care.

It doesn't matter what it is. If you call someone out that helped you for no reason when you have a history of being emotional and disloyal, no one's going to ride for you and people love seeing the big mouth get his just desserts.

The whole thing just reeked of "I know you're better than me, so I've got a team and an entire scheme set to destroy you", but he bit off way more than he could chew, so it didn't matter whether he was right or not. No one likes a lame tattletale that gangs up on someone and whines when he gets his ass kicked.

why yall dudes still talking bout meek or the diss tracks. he asked a question about if a dude wit legit writing ability got expose would it matter. and can we stop acting like meek was shytting on next level as soon as he asked him.

@Homeboy Runny-Ray to answer your question it would matter, i know u dont look at kendrick or j cole as that good, but if they or lupe got expose it would a much bigger story, drake fans would have cared cause it would be ammo. and those artist wouldnt have the help of wattaburger and burger king to protect them

 

[shopthatwrecks]

people forget the whole control fiasco from meek...

he is doin the exact thing he did with kendrick... he is not built for the shyt

nicki was piece of the chess game young money was playin..he fell for it...now he is gone...

 

[Drake's Tan]

No. But if meek were a more credible mc the reaction would've been different.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Here's the thing and let's just end it here:

Meek lost because 1).

let me stop you right there.

youre in the wrong thread buddy. this isnt the place for this.

this isnt a meek vs drake thread.

you didnt type all that for nothing tho. just cut-n-paste it to a thread where it actually applies.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

people forget the whole control fiasco from meek...

he is doin the exact thing he did with kendrick... he is not built for the shyt

nicki was piece of the chess game young money was playin..he fell for it...now he is gone...

lol. huh?

meek sonned kendrick and made that nicca sit down and throw the white flag.

 

[Matt504]

let me stop you right there.

youre in the wrong thread buddy. this isnt the place for this.

this isnt a meek vs drake thread.

you didnt type all that for nothing tho. just cut-n-paste it to a thread where it actually applies.

that's the thing about it, there are a lot of people who can't have the discussion without picking sides and if you disagree with the side they chose, you're automatically on the other side, there's absolutely no in between shyt is disgusting.