bigbadbossup2012
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I was saying capital punishment was bigger than illmatic NOT IWW. I remember IWW's run vividly. I bought it the week it dropped.
IF nas died a couple months before IWW
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Of course Capital Punishment was bigger on the sales tip. Double platinum vs. Gold. Who's arguing that point?
IWW would've been even bigger than it was if Nas had passed several months before its release and his career would be viewed basically the same as BIG. IWW sold more copies than Ready To Die did while BIG was still alive. Ready To Die took 13 months to go double platinum. It Was Written took 3. Nas had become as popular as BIG; when BIG got shot, tho, his popularity went through the roof. Ready To Die sold as much in the two years after his death as it did the first two years it was out. Life After Death probably sold double what it would have if he hadn't passed. Just the nature of the beast.
IWW would've been even bigger than it was if Nas had passed several months before its release and his career would be viewed basically the same as BIG. IWW sold more copies than Ready To Die did while BIG was still alive. Ready To Die took 13 months to go double platinum. It Was Written took 3. Nas had become as popular as BIG; when BIG got shot, tho, his popularity went through the roof. Ready To Die sold as much in the two years after his death as it did the first two years it was out. Life After Death probably sold double what it would have if he hadn't passed. Just the nature of the beast.
bigbadbossup2012
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lmao,IWW would NOT had reached LAD sales. Not at all. Why do you keep comparing nasir's second album to people's first? LMAO. And nas still wasnt as popular as biggie gtfoh. Biggie ran 95 and 97, what year did nas run,no years EVER
bigbadbossup2012
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ANd for the record capital punishment wasnt just hotter on sales tip. It was hotter in the streets. Twinz was hotter than any non single on illmatic. I had hoes stepping to me talking bout PUNISH ME. Saying nas woulda blew off dying between his first two (given their performance) is like saying pac woulda been bigger between his first two albums. Not true at all. And contrary to east coast brainwashing songs like souljah story,violent, brenda's gotta baby meant way more on the streets than any song on illmatic.
Whats the argument for Illmatic's reputation growing because of Nas NOT dying. Struggling to grasp that one. Already had a reputation as a classic album in the mid 90s. Nas commercial popularity peaked with IWW. What subsequent albums or events made Illmatic considered a classic?
bigbadbossup2012
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Oh no,the east coast bias was their at the gate,5 undeserving mics. Being called a classic before it had the chance to perform as one and be elected by the people like the real classics. I'm saying if nas didnt become a legend through consistent hard work it would have died down. ANd we wouldnt be discussing him in goat conversations,and the myth of illmatic would be even clearer
What if Nas Nas died in a three way shoot out with BIG and Pac (and they died too) one month before the release of IWW? What happens then OP?
What if Nas discovered a cure for AIDS prior to the release of IWW, but still died? How would that have affected his legacy?
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What if Nas discovered a cure for AIDS prior to the release of IWW, but still died? How would that have affected his legacy?
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nas coulda died in late '95 he was with big stretch and stretchs brother majesty...stretch dropped maj and nas off at their homes and then stretch's car got shot up into swiss cheese #RIP
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What do numbers have to do with the influence, impact or how good an album is period? Dead Serious went Plat, but nobody was saying it was better than Illmatic then. Artists weren't claiming to be influenced by Bacdafucup. GFK/Raekwon were already claiming to be influenced lyrically by Nas and were accusing B.I.G. of stealing the album cover concept from Nas, Mobb Deep claimed it as influence and sing the Life's A bytch hook on a skit that didn't make The Infamous album, Pac had been blasting the album while in court, Jay had the album on bootleg. Redman, Miilkbone, Big L, Jay among others would sample Nas. It's praise didn't only come from purists, magazines but the artists themselves. This an album that has been praised by two generations of rappers then and now, it's not a new phenomenon.
. You can't compare Nas and Biggie's come ups. Nas had only one prior guest features and that was in 1991 on another rather obscure East Coast joint Breaking Atoms. Biggie was pushed by Mr.Cee, he was in the Source in 92, he had the underground smash Party & Bullshyt, he came out on a Mary J. Blige joint that peaked at 7 on the Billboard, he was on the Flava in Ya Ear remix with Cool J, Craig Mack and Busta Rhymes. He was signed to Diddy, Big Poppa, One More Chance, Juicy? Nas didn't make those type of records, on Illmatic he wanted to represent the streets, he wanted to represent Queensbridge, he wanted to tell cohesive stories. He had one features as opposed to Jay who had Biggie and Foxy Brown on his debut, Nas only had his pops playing the trumpet, a guest verse from an unknown AZ and random QB goons adlibbing. Illmatic had a concept, it had a purpose. You're fooling yourself if you think Illmatic was made to be a commercial success.
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Big was undeniably more popular but I also think Big had a MUCH better team behind him. Clive Davis AND puff. Think about that. Davis made Whitney Houston and a whole string of other amazing artist since the 70s. And puff knows how to make hits. With illmatic, Nas had his own raw talent / X factor, mc serch 
and some Columbia clowns. Not even close there.
Biggie naturally connected to wider audiences though anyway, but it was multiplied by the fact the industry was pushing him in a way they weren't or couldn't with nas. Biggie had that X factor too but it was just amplified by insanely good marketing.
I think if nas died a week before IWW, he'd be remember as the biggest What If. Pac and biggie died at the height. Nas would have been remembered as a great that never got to reach what people thought was his peak. shyt people still waiting for the album everyone thinks he's capable of even after all this time. But we wouldn't have to look past albums like Nastradamus and SD. Hed be above Big L and Pun, but not as enshrined as pac and big.
and some Columbia clowns. Not even close there. Biggie naturally connected to wider audiences though anyway, but it was multiplied by the fact the industry was pushing him in a way they weren't or couldn't with nas. Biggie had that X factor too but it was just amplified by insanely good marketing.
I think if nas died a week before IWW, he'd be remember as the biggest What If. Pac and biggie died at the height. Nas would have been remembered as a great that never got to reach what people thought was his peak. shyt people still waiting for the album everyone thinks he's capable of even after all this time. But we wouldn't have to look past albums like Nastradamus and SD. Hed be above Big L and Pun, but not as enshrined as pac and big.
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Well one thing is for sure, if you died a couple of months before IWW dropped, we sure as hell wouldn't be talking about you
bigbadbossup2012
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Excuses excuses. Both had major deals. Nas album was produced by people I'm sure you consider legends. Hell, he sampled the biggest album of all time. A loop at that. Blame every factor besides nas boring delivery brehsBig was undeniably more popular but I also think Big had a MUCH better team behind him. Clive Davis AND puff. Think about that. Davis made Whitney Houston and a whole string of other amazing artist since the 70s. And puff knows how to make hits. With illmatic, Nas had his own raw talent / X factor, mc serch
Biggie naturally connected to wider audiences though anyway, but it was multiplied by the fact the industry was pushing him in a way they weren't or couldn't with nas. Biggie had that X factor too but it was just amplified by insanely good marketing.
I think if nas died a week before IWW, he'd be remember as the biggest What If. Pac and biggie died at the height. Nas would have been remembered as a great that never got to reach what people thought was his peak. shyt people still waiting for the album everyone thinks he's capable of even after all this time. But we wouldn't have to look past albums like Nastradamus and SD. Hed be above Big L and Pun, but not as enshrined as pac and big.