What's so detailed about your statement? His family were CLEARLY upset with his money situation, hence SUEING the label.
None of what you just posted is new information to me. It was literally just his contract...
If Pac was really about to leave Death Row..
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What's so detailed about your statement? His family were CLEARLY upset with his money situation, hence SUEING the label.
None of what you just posted is new information to me. It was literally just his contract...
Mac Casper
@adonnis - pull up, there's refreshments
Dude . . don't move the goal post
You were just talking about how bad his deal was.
His estate sued over the accounting issues, which is exactly what I said in my original post. To which you responded with a continued assertion that it wasn't a "great" deal
so now you're saving face and when originally you had zero details to offer in defense of your statement - you were talking out of your ass
This here folks . . . he tried to talk slick about my rep and ending up being exposed
You don't play with Wally like that
Mac Casper
@adonnis - pull up, there's refreshments
It was supposedly to be a film production company, some have called it a management company
Dude . . don't move the goal post
You were just talking about how bad his deal was.
His estate sued over the accounting issues, which is exactly what I said in my original post. To which you responded with a continued assertion that it wasn't a "great" deal
so now you're saving face and when originally you had zero details to offer in defense of your statement - you were talking out of your ass
This here folks . . . he tried to talk slick about my rep and ending up being exposed
You don't play with Wally like that
My initial post was that his family were upset with his deal (wrong wording if I meant "money", I guess). That point still stands (if you just change the word to what I meant). 2Pac was immediately owed approximately $12,000,000 for All Eyez on Me; that is what his Death Row contract explicitly stated.
Afeni’s court case against Death Row spells it out. He was supposed to have at least $17,000,000 from record sales alone. Even with all Death Row's accounting and fabricated charges they could only come up with $7,107,186.74 payable. So that leaves them owing him $9,892,814.
That's not only "accounting issues". She sued for missing royalties too. Have you even read the lawsuit?
I never tried to say his deal was "bad", I just said it wasn't "great". Which could still mean it was "good".
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Mac Casper
@adonnis - pull up, there's refreshments
this guy Yes, hypothetically you would be right had you said something else. And you didn't say "bad" but you said it wasn't "great" which could still mean good . . .
this dude is trying to grasp onto technicalities now
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anyway, I'm done thrashing you - now back on subject
$12,000,000 is that what they said in the suit? Let's say sales revenue for All Eyez on Me was $100 million, which sounds like a lot off of 3 million copies but you must keep in mind that album was retailing at nearly $30 . . Tupac would've been entitled to $20 million off his 20 points, a boisterous year by any standard . . now you have to account for his expenses (this is where the Death Row accounting department gets creative)
On top of that you have the Makaveli album . . $12 million? That's possible but to be an accurate amount of what he's owed he would've been spending like a wild man
Yes, hypothetically you would be right had you said something else. And you didn't say "bad" but you said it wasn't "great" which could still mean good . . .
this dude is trying to grasp onto technicalities now
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anyway, I'm done thrashing you - now back on subject
$12,000,000 is that what they said in the suit? Let's say sales revenue for All Eyez on Me was $100 million, which sounds like a lot off of 3 million copies but you must keep in mind that album was retailing at nearly $30 . . Tupac would've been entitled to $20 million off his 20 points, a boisterous year by any standard . . now you have to account for his expenses (this is where the Death Row accounting department gets creative)
On top of that you have the Makaveli album . . $12 million? That's possible but to be an accurate amount of what he's owed he would've been spending like a wild man
This discussion is clearly going nowhere, so I'm just going to stop replying after this.
Afeni’s court case against Death Row - which you refer to - spells it out clearly. He was immediately owed $12,000,000 for All Eyez on Me. This is what his Death Row contract explicitly stated. He was then was entitled to an advance of $5,000,000 for turning in the Makaveli album due to the sales numbers for AEOM.
We arrive at a number of $17,000,000 owed, according to the lawsuit. Include all of Death Row's accounting and fabricated charges, etc. and we have $7,107,186.74 payable to Death Row by 2Pac. Thus we arrive at $9,892,814 at least owed at the time of his death, by their own accounting, according to the lawsuit.
*I think the royalties 2Pac was screwed out of from the get-go were mechanical royalties by the way.
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Hey don't judge all of us with bad reps based on him
Yeah ..
May he rest in peace but big Frank definitely started a lot of these rumours about Pac leaving Deathrow when he wrote his book.
Nomad1
Tupac KONY and GOAT
Tupac wasn't going nowhere 
I swear to god after Pac died Afeni tried to make Suge the devil, started making shyt up like Pac was leaving DR when he wasn't, then these irrelevant DR artists and associates started to make up stories saying Pac was angry at Suge and was leaving when in reality they were showing their hatred/predicament with DR and Suge through Pac's tragedy. nikkas believed this overnight.
I swear to god after Pac died Afeni tried to make Suge the devil, started making shyt up like Pac was leaving DR when he wasn't, then these irrelevant DR artists and associates started to make up stories saying Pac was angry at Suge and was leaving when in reality they were showing their hatred/predicament with DR and Suge through Pac's tragedy. nikkas believed this overnight.
H. Selassie
Black Royalty
Tupac wasn't going nowhere
Ayo Nomad you seem like something of a Pac historian so I want to ask you about this.
You bring up Afeni. I remember reading somewhere that Afeni mistreated Pac as a kid because she despised his father (told Pac his whole life he was dead when he really wasn't), also hated how Pac was more light skinned than her and her other children, and pretty much disowned him up until he became a famous rapper.
Not tryna speak on something I don't know or be disrespectful to her 
Just wondering how true this is. If anyone else knows, feel free to chime.
Nomad1
Tupac KONY and GOAT
Ayo Nomad you seem like something of a Pac historian so I want to ask you about this.
You bring up Afeni. I remember reading somewhere that Afeni mistreated Pac as a kid because she despised his father (told Pac his whole life he was dead when he really wasn't), also hated how Pac was more light skinned than her and her other children, and pretty much disowned him up until he became a famous rapper.
Just wondering how true this is. If anyone else knows, feel free to chime.
I heard this before on a 2pac site, and of course Pac's father talked about this. He said that Afeni and the fam would diss him but all that changed when he got that contract imma let @Kieran address this one
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Mac Casper
@adonnis - pull up, there's refreshments
and she's the one who chose to pull the plug on him and become the beneficiary of his estate
Lucky_Lefty
Dreams Are Colder Than Death...
guy was a great actor 
Jacaveli The Don
Superstar
Man, R.I.P. to Big Frank and all that, but he was full of shyt a LOT of the time.
I bought his book (
) and some of the stuff he wrote was damn near groupie status.Don't even get me started on what Frank wrote when he caught 'Pac fukking a chick
wingstop
Superstar
Man, R.I.P. to Big Frank and all that, but he was full of shyt a LOT of the time.
I bought his book (
Don't even get me started on what Frank wrote when he caught 'Pac fukking a chick
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