You giving these rappers that are forced to remain underground too much credit.
And Kendrick's biggest song is a fukking club banger
If Royce was given a major label push with the right producers..
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You giving these rappers that are forced to remain underground too much credit.
And Kendrick's biggest song is a fukking club banger
Long Live The Kane
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Negatory...if it's one thing the Slaughterhouse experiment has taught me is that realistically nothing could be none for these dudes to become legimate impactful rap stars on a major label...it just ain't in 'em...all these silly ass "bu bu bu you have to stoop to the lowest level to have any chance to blow in the game"...and they ran and put out the cheesiest pop rap attempts imaginable the second they had a major look and still flopped 
....Buddens has finally found his true calling as an attention whoring Stevie J styled VH1 "reality" show character...so he can get a measure of fame there...but Royce, Joell, and Crooked I are for better or worse what they were all pretty much destined to be...that Koch pseudo-indy messageboard stalwart lane was made for them
Royce I guess you can say could've had Obie Trice's spot and got carried to a platinum plaque purely through the power of Eminem's residual buzz...but as a legimate star and GOAT contender in his own right? Not a chance
....Buddens has finally found his true calling as an attention whoring Stevie J styled VH1 "reality" show character...so he can get a measure of fame there...but Royce, Joell, and Crooked I are for better or worse what they were all pretty much destined to be...that Koch pseudo-indy messageboard stalwart lane was made for themRoyce I guess you can say could've had Obie Trice's spot and got carried to a platinum plaque purely through the power of Eminem's residual buzz...but as a legimate star and GOAT contender in his own right? Not a chance
Swimming pools is not a formulaic, club "banga", with Future on the hook, a southern stylized beat, a guest spot w/ a flavor of the month, and an obnoxious hook that a 4 year old could chant along with. Yeah, it got a lil burn in the club, but its not a club song. At least not the type of club song hip hop has been producing for the last 10 years. Its a smart pop record thats accessible, yet subversive and meaningful. The type of records hip hop used to make all the time
Swimming pools is not a formulaic, club "banga", with Future on the hook, a southern stylized beat, a guest spot w/ a flavor of the month, and an obnoxious hook that a 4 year old could chant along with. Yeah, it got a lil burn in the club, but its not a club song. At least not the type of club song hip hop has been producing for the last 10 years. Its a smart pop record thats accessible, yet subversive and meaningful. The type of records hip hop used to make all the time
that beat and hook is tailor made for the club.
Long Live The Kane
Tyrant Titan
Swimming pools is not a formulaic, club "banga", with Future on the hook, a southern stylized beat, a guest spot w/ a flavor of the month, and an obnoxious hook that a 4 year old could chant along with. Yeah, it got a lil burn in the club, but its not a club song. At least not the type of club song hip hop has been producing for the last 10 years. Its a smart pop record thats accessible, yet subversive and meaningful. The type of records hip hop used to make all the time
Everything about that song from a structural and sound standpoint screams "post-drake contemporary hit hip hop song"...it's essentially Kendrick's version of the hit song template created by I'm On One two summers ago...a signature T-Minus production, with a sing songy hook that can double as a celebtory chant easily repeatable in the club and other social settings...the biggest difference between that and any other number of hits that follow that same template and have dominated urban radio since, is the difference of perception created by Kendrick's "real hip hop son!" cred leading into it's release and the fact that content wise it's more a thoughtful narrative about drinking instead of a sheer celebration or ode to it...but it honestly wouldn't have mattered what the message was, the sound template is the reason why it's a hit
Which is why Kendrick is where he is...on top of everything he brings creatively and lyrically...he has the ear and the feel what to make those type of records...with the same type of set up and buzz and everything...Royce would fukk around go through a t-minus beat tape, pick the corniest beat he ever made in life and through some cornball hook on it and flop...i mean look at the Slaughterhouse album...it had the full force of the Shady/Interscope machine behind it, beats from popular of the day producers like T-Minus, Boi-Wonder, Justice League, Kane Beatz, Hit Boy, Araab Beats, Street Runner, etc....and it came out corny garbage
Swimming P doesnt sound anything like "On One', or any kind of popular hip hop, club template. The only similarities to One One is that they both arent really danceable songs, but more anthem like. Even with that, On one is far more bouncy, electronic, and club oriented. SP is moody, spacey...sonically it reminds me of Ready or Not by the Fugees. To say they are the same is like saying all meals are the same because they contain calories, and fill you up.
And you cant dismiss its artistry and meaning. Yes, it does have pop elements (if you think about it a lot of songs do), but like I said its accessible and smart at the same time. Its not a naked, mindless celebration of vices and superficiality like On One, with a strung together metaphors which say nothing except to champion hedonism and materialism. SP has something to say; how are vices and urges are genetically and socially controlled, and how we can become a prisoner to those vices. SP makes you think, and you can listen to it outside the club. Its not turn your brain off music like On One.
As far as Royce goes...for one he is in a group with 30+ rappers, who all rap like they havent set foot in a club since 1999, and all have different agendas. Its too many cooks syndrome. Plus Royce himself is aging and out of the loop. Royce really fcked himself by beefing with Em and making stupid decisions, which sidelined him during the prime of his career, when he had a good chance at pop stardom. Its unfair to compare him to Kendrick at this point, because hes at least 10-12 years older, and in hip hop thats a lifetime.
The Devil's Advocate
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royce would never blow cause royce is royce.... understand that blowing up takes A LOT... its not as easy as you think... make a gimmick song and ride out... how many millions of rappers on the internet do that shyt everyday... i've heard some GREAT songs too... they go nowhere
they not from the right place, they don't look the part, they don't have the right "swag", etc etc etc
em wouldn't even have blown up if he was black... he'd be in a group called d-14 with royce and they'd be underground legends... dudes that rap like that or slaughterhouse might as well pen themselves in for "never blowing up" cause for real for real.... nikkas don't wanna hear that shyt no more
nikkas don't wanna rewind... nikkas don't wanna talk about "yo i broke down that verse last night and it was so ill" naaaaaaaaaaaaaah... they don't wanna hear that shyt.. i bet a million bucks you couldn't find 10 people who could spit a kendrick VERSE... but you could easily find 100 who could spit two hooks... that's what hip hop is about... that's what it's always been.
if you don't have the total package... which includes image, sex appeal, YOUTH, and a general talent to appeal to the general public, you might as well get used to being a "lyricist" or "too complex for radio"
they not from the right place, they don't look the part, they don't have the right "swag", etc etc etc
em wouldn't even have blown up if he was black... he'd be in a group called d-14 with royce and they'd be underground legends... dudes that rap like that or slaughterhouse might as well pen themselves in for "never blowing up" cause for real for real.... nikkas don't wanna hear that shyt no more
nikkas don't wanna rewind... nikkas don't wanna talk about "yo i broke down that verse last night and it was so ill" naaaaaaaaaaaaaah... they don't wanna hear that shyt.. i bet a million bucks you couldn't find 10 people who could spit a kendrick VERSE... but you could easily find 100 who could spit two hooks... that's what hip hop is about... that's what it's always been.
if you don't have the total package... which includes image, sex appeal, YOUTH, and a general talent to appeal to the general public, you might as well get used to being a "lyricist" or "too complex for radio"
ManBearPig
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I just think Royce doesn't have what it takes to be the G.O.A.T. 
a lot of his songs were ass because he not that good of a song writer period. All he can do is rap about getting drunk basically.
a lot of his songs were ass because he not that good of a song writer period. All he can do is rap about getting drunk basically.
Cole Cash
They took a hammer and sickle to my back
A guy like royce has his lane and his fans, i dont see the need for him to do anything more than what hes done, you cant have everyone be jay z. hes made it very very far in the last 13 years.
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verbalkint
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Boom was his shot. Too bad him and his manager talked themselves out of an Aftermath deal when Em was taking the world by storm. Should be happy em blessed him with a gold plaque of the strength.
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He would be a contender for one of the G.O.A.T.S, I strongly believe Royce da 5'9" has the complete package to be the greatest and we all know it's mandatory to be on a major to be considered anything relevant or catch anyone's attention. With that being said, the right producers, a major budget and his potential to make classic songs would def put him in talks with the ice cubs, pacs, BIGs and Nas's, no question! F*ck what anyone says!
Long Live The Kane
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It sounds very similar in style to every other T-Minus produced track (or imitation) with the slow ominious beat and many of the same effects as all the other (I'm On One, She Will, HYFR, She Don't Put it Down like You, My Moment, etc)...dude has a very identifiable signature sound that just so happens to be very popular in mainstream hip hop at the moment...surely you don't think Kendrick and his label just randomly decided to pick one what's basically one of drake's inhouse producers for his lead-in single by pure happenstance...they wanted a "sound", and they got it......and the hook is in the sing songy catchy style that every odd numbered hit on the radio has had since Drake blew up...
Like i said they VERY similar...as similar as any other producer with a signature sound's beat sound...
You're gonna say with a straight face these beats have no similarities other some all being vaguely "undancable"
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I'm not dismissing it...I very much enjoy the artistry and meaning of the song ..I'm just not naive enough to think that it had more to do with the song being as big of a hit as it is than is the case...or like the content so much that I use kind of jedi mind trick on myself and deny the fairly obvious fact that it sounds very much like any number of recent hit songs....the fact that it sounds VERY MUCH like what's currently hot in the context of contemporary hip hop has infinitely more to do with than how smart it is...
That's all well and good...but I can assure you that clubs full of people ain't yelling the hook of the song while holding up cups of ciroc or remy and using it as the soundtrack of celebration, and that the song didn't race to the top of the urban radio charts... because of how poignant they find Kendrick's exposition on the roots and effects of alcohol use
....it's because it just sounds like a hot ass song....the whole "random unsuccessful rapper can't pop because the only way you can pop is to dumb down to a retard level" thing is a classic crutch...an act like Kendrick is the proof...long as you make it actually sound dope, you can rap about damn near anything and have it pop...it's just that the art of hitmaking (and it is an art) is nowhere as mindless and easy as people make it seem...and it's a skill that many of the dudes that have that crutch used for them, just don't have....the difference between Swimming Pools being one of the biggest hits of the year and (just as an another recent example) Lupe's bytch Bad was thrown in the bushes, isn't a rejection of Lupe's message and the embrace of Kendrick's...one was just a hotter songI can agree that Royce is indeed out of the loop...but it's only partially because of his age...even in his youthful prime, dude didn't have anywhere near a Kendrick level ability to tap into what's actually hot far as the skill of making hits go...it just ain't in him
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I just think Royce doesn't have what it takes to be the G.O.A.T.
a lot of his songs were ass because he not that good of a song writer period. All he can do is rap about getting drunk basically.
In my opinion on "Street Hop" and "Success is Certain" he definitely stepped up in terms of overall songwriting skills, their were some 5/5 joints on both albums. It'll be interesting to hear what direction he takes his next album, he should just make an album solely produced by Mr Porter, Premier and Alchemist.
