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If somehow trumps finds a way to win in 2024
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Cakebatter
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Yeah, Biden was directly responsible for the inability to cancel student debt in bankruptcy. Had Biden used executive order to cancel $10k of student loan debt, when he got into office, the courts wouldn't have had time to do anything about it. Once the money was written off, the courts wouldn't have been able to make a ruling that could force the toothpaste back into the tube. Biden knew this, and chose the janky HEROES Act to do it.
Despite all the Democratic legislation Joe Manchin blocked or held up, notice that Chuck Schumer never removed Manchin from any leadership roles?
Despite all the Democratic legislation Joe Manchin blocked or held up, notice that Chuck Schumer never removed Manchin from any leadership roles?
Iverson_64
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It amazes me how people are acting like this is no big deal just because they don't like Biden. It's fine to be critical of any President including Biden but the whole "This will show the Dem's why they need to do better!" mentality is just weird and out of touch with reality.
No political party is perfect but we know that the GOP is entertaining banning Black history in schools, blocking reparations from ever happening in our lifetime, banning affirmative action, banning abortion, excusing political violence from Right Wingers and even Neo-Nazis, militarizing the police, banning Social Security and Medicaid, stirring up hatred against Black people and immigrants, rigging votes, etc.
No....Trump being in office isn't going to be the "same ol thing." Trump already knows that he needs to pander to angry racist White men for votes and continued support. Even if he doesn't accomplish half of the things that I've mentioned above in his term as President, he will easily rig things in favor of his party so that they'll hold more of a monopoly on U.S. elections and come closer to perpetuating their far right agenda.
Everyone loves to talk about "crashing and burning" the system until shyt actually hits the fan. Just like how Elon's control of Twitter empowered vile racists to show their true colors on there, Trump getting re-elected will do the same thing on a national scale. And you'll see more activities under Trump that'll make January 6th look like child's play.
No political party is perfect but we know that the GOP is entertaining banning Black history in schools, blocking reparations from ever happening in our lifetime, banning affirmative action, banning abortion, excusing political violence from Right Wingers and even Neo-Nazis, militarizing the police, banning Social Security and Medicaid, stirring up hatred against Black people and immigrants, rigging votes, etc.
No....Trump being in office isn't going to be the "same ol thing." Trump already knows that he needs to pander to angry racist White men for votes and continued support. Even if he doesn't accomplish half of the things that I've mentioned above in his term as President, he will easily rig things in favor of his party so that they'll hold more of a monopoly on U.S. elections and come closer to perpetuating their far right agenda.
Everyone loves to talk about "crashing and burning" the system until shyt actually hits the fan. Just like how Elon's control of Twitter empowered vile racists to show their true colors on there, Trump getting re-elected will do the same thing on a national scale. And you'll see more activities under Trump that'll make January 6th look like child's play.
Cakebatter
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You must be young. That speech is given every election. The only thing that changes is the name of the Republican nominee. Everything continues to move right, despite Dems having control 50% of the time. Republican voters hold their candidates accountable, and thus get results. Why shouldn't Dem voters do the same? Given that Dems lose half of the time anyway, what is there to lose?
Iverson_64
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I'm sorry but this is an out of touch talking point. The Bushes, Cheneys, and McCains were absolutely trash and Romney had his faults too but they didn't engineer the rise of the Alt Right or White nationalists on the same level as Trump. Trump's rise in the mid 2010's lead to a huge rise in following among the Alt Right, White nationalists, and Neo-Nazis who figured that Trump was closer to their side than any Republican candidate in years. Trump still subliminally panders to them to this day.
The only former Republican that you can tie to this sort of wave pre-Trump was Patrick Buchanan who was writing and complaining about immigration, "saving the West" and changing demographics while running for office but he ended up losing out and eventually losing mainstream relevance. Trump basically took his playbook and took it to a greater level. If you can't see that, you're not really paying attention.
January 6th was/is just a snapshot of the type of movement Trump has been leading. If he gets relected and restores power, his MAGA and Nationalist Cultists will feel even more emboldened to "take back the country" and anti-Blackness is one of the many ways that they plan on taking the country back.
You said it yourself: VOTERS. I've said on here before that more people in urban communities should be more involved in local/municipal politics, emailing and speaking to their representatives, showing up to town hall meetings and school board meetings, etc. Black folks are no where near as politically active as people think we are. Having a protest over an unarmed Black man getting killed is barely scratching the surface of what real accountability is.
Black people in urban communities are significantly underrepresented in speaking in town hall meetings, school board meetings, and regularly interacting with local representativies and politicians. Community and politics goes hand in hand. You can't solely blame the Democrats if more people aren't actually being active and holding people accountable.
Literally every Democrat and Black politician I've spoken too irl welcomes criticism and involvement. You have some sleazeballs like Kwame Kilpatrick but he's an outlier.
Republicans also lose half the time. We literally had a "Blue Wave" in the midterms even though it's usually Republicans that make big gains under Democrat Presidencies(like what happened with Obama.)
As for what is there to lose, all you have to do is find out what the Far Right agenda that the likes of Trump, DeSantis, Marjorie, etc. support to come to your answer. We're already seeing Black history and culture curriculums being banned or rewritten with a pro-White bias, civil rights under attack, abortion being banned, tangibles that help all people(never mind Black people) getting bushed, etc. just to name a few.
But you do you breh. You're probably one of those "burn it all down" type voters who doesn't care one way or another. But Trump and the rise of the MAGA cult is the closest thing to American fascism. To each their own though.
Republicans have no one to blame but themselves for allowing him the ability to run again by not voting to convicte him when he was impeached. Now they gotta deal with him being the front runner. We gonna have to deal with the Stop the Steal mess again when he gets washed by Biden for the second time. Im low-key wishing for Tim Scott to do better on the right but that's a massive long shot.
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IIVI
Superstar
Dude ain't winning. This is going to be as effective as that Red Wave was last year.
Them cats really haven't learned their lesson - they ain't going to loudmouth themselves back in competition again.
Even the Vegas odds are pointing to another Joe Biden win.
Them cats really haven't learned their lesson - they ain't going to loudmouth themselves back in competition again.
Even the Vegas odds are pointing to another Joe Biden win.
Cakebatter
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The Alt-right isn't any stronger than it was in the 60s, 70s, 80s, or 90s. White supremacists have had online meeting places like st0rmfr0nt for decades. They've even had their own candidates like David Duke. All this race war narrative is just State produced propoganda. The FBI infiltrates white supremacists groups just like they do black groups. If you don't think the Fed doesn't have a few COLI accounts, I don't know what to tell you. The real problem is the corporate paid politicians on both sides of the isle. It's literally like WWE. We got senators and congressman who label themselves progressives and socialist voting to send money to Ukraine for war. I can't make this stuff up. Trust me, none of those fools are open to criticism. When $15 federal minimum wage was added to the Recoiliation bill, Dems voted it out, including Senators from Delaware (Biden's home state). It's not like it wasn't one of Biden's campaign promises. But hey, keep doing the same thing expecting different results. If Trump wins, (And the polls are predicting it) what then?
Iverson_64
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To an extent, this is true. They rebranded themselves. But the rise of the Internet has made it easier for them to link up and form movements than ever before. The Buffalo Shooter literally had his ties in shyt posting in Alt Right forums and he became more radicalized in those racist echo chambers. Even January 6th had people meeting up with each other on the Internet before the insurrection. One of them was even a semi social media influencer.
st0rmfr0nt the website didn't even exist until the late 90's breh.
David Duke is a failed politician who never won a single election despite how much he tried and he's become more of a racist spokesperson than anything else. Trump actually held true positions and power politically when he was in office.
So, was the Buffalo shooter a government agent? Was Derek Chauvin an agent? Was Dylann Roff an agent? Was the Unite the Right rally in 2017 full of agents? Were the various forms of hate crimes committed against Black people all done by agents? I highly doubt it especially when they've mostly been exposed as legitimate anti-Black racists.
Which White groups are supposedly infiltrated and how do you differentiate them from the real ones who actually believe in their agenda and propaganda?
And lol.....the FBI has better things to do than to infiltrate the Coli lol. Don't get me wrong....it's possible but the FBI operates on a much higher level than that.
Nobody denies that there is political corruption and hypocrisy on both sides. It's all about pointing out which group has less of a damaging impact on society as a whole.
Also, I'm talking beyond Presidents. I brought up local and municipal politicians and representatives who actually have a stronger direct impact on communities. People should be more invested in their local representatives if they want to try to spark more change in their communities. The President can only do so much.
We only have 4 political options:
-Stop voting and let Non-Blacks determine election results.
-Vote GOP despite how openly racist/fascist they are.
-Search for the rare 3rd Party candidate who isn't a Libertarian MAGA shill.
-Or vote DNC but vet for quality candidates who have our best interests at heart.
Funnily enough, the GOP prefers Black non-voters over Black GOP voters and the GOP has literally terrorized Black voters in parts of the South. Despite how much TLR loves to claim how voting is useless and one of the worst things Black people can ever do, the Right Wing tries hard to suppress it as much as possible as if they know it matters.
Cakebatter
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st0rmfr0nt is decades old. Thanks for proving my point. I remember stumbling upon racist groups back in the early 90s, when all there was were BBS and then later IRC. Racists have always had places to congregate online. The Internet and social media isn't offering any more new opportunities than in the past.
The FBI had better things to do in the 60s, yet they infiltrated Black civil rights groups and killed Black leaders. We recently witnessed the FBI infiltrate a small racist group in Michigan and entrapped those fools into a kidnapping plot against the Governor. There were nearly twice the amount of informants as there were actual conspirators. We even recently found out that the FBI had agents and informants within the Jan 6 riots/insurrection. How about that Black Uhuru group in Florida? So there's that too.
Where is the option where Dem voters or specifically Black voters vocalize their wants and state that they only vote for candidates that provide those things? Republicans are notorious for publicly stating they will only vote for Pro-Life and Pro-2A candidates. There is no reason why Dem voters can't do the same with $15 minimum wage, Federal Marijuana legalization, Student Debt forgiveness, Reparations, etc. Republicans have voted for Candidates that claimed to support Pro-life and Pro-2A legislation, but when and if they backtrack, they get voted out. Dem voters are told to stay the course or risk losing to the opposing candidate. I don't know why you pretend you haven't seen a successful voter strategy before, when Republicans have been doing it for decades.
Iverson_64
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You brought up numerous decades, even dating back to the 60's. I was just pointing out that st0rmfr0nt as a website didn't exist until the late 90's. Obviously, White supremacist groups have always been around but st0rmfr0nt specifically didn't take off until the 21st Century.
Very few people had Internet access in the early 90's.
Yes it is. It's even been proven. The Internet has interconnected numerous groups of people regardless of their following. That's literally one of the biggest selling points of the Internet. Of course, people were linking up before in groups but the Internet has made it much easier.
Are you seriously comparing Black civil rights groups and leaders to the Coli.com? That's completely apples and oranges. The Coli doesn't even have more clout among Black people than The Shade Room, never mind Black civil rights groups and leaders.
There's been tons of legislation that got passed that you're overlooking.
Also, keep in mind that tons of factors can prevent progress from being made fast even outside the individual politician's control. Even the GOP can't move with their agendas as fast as they want to. Trump couldn't even get his wall built because checks and balances wouldn't allow him to move on that fast with his plan.
You're giving the GOP too much praise anyway. Whites in many GOP voting rural areas are stuck in cycles of poverty, drug addiction, broken families, and poor education which goes to show that even the GOP can't snap their fingers like Thanos and fix everyone's problems overnight.
Cakebatter
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You simply misread my original comment.
Yet, there were Bulletin Board Systems dedicated to racist groups even in the early 90s. I know because I saw them. My tiny college assigned every student an email address and provided internet access back in the early 90s. Using Telnet, I had access to nearly all my friends across the country via their University's internet access. The internet was more ubiquitous in the 90s than you think. By 1995 Compuserve and AOL were widely marketing to everyday consumers.
In 2019, it was discovered that 'Black Identity Extremist' were listed as a higher domestic threat than Al Qaeda. That would make any large primarily black forums a target. Sites like Lipstick alley and Coli would obviously fit the bill. You may think I'm implying the FBI infiltrates such sites to find terrorists. No, I'm saying they infiltrate such sites to create them. Don't get me wrong. There are definitely racists organizations out there, but even Martin Luther King jr and Malcolm X didn't focus on interpersonal racism, but institutional racism. Stay focused on small militias and you miss the big moves happening in Washington.
Nothing of any consequence. Do you understand the change Federally legalizing marijuana and expunging all marijuana records would do for the black community? Think of all the Black men with arrest records related to marijuana. Has a bill even come up for a vote yet?
Again, Republican voters hold politicians feet to the fire and vote out those who vote against their redline issues. Thus the US government continues to become more conservative economically and via foreign policy.
Many white GOP are still tricked by the Southern Strategy and think more anti-immigration policy, and supply side economics will fix their problems. They get the legislative results, but they don't get the raised living standard results they are promised, but that's a different discussion altogether.
Worthless Loser
Blackpilled
The courts always have time. Any Conservative could have brought a lawsuit in federal court against the Biden administration at any given time to block it.
