Berniewood Hogan
IT'S BERNIE SANDERS WITH A STEEL CHAIR!
Yes, as I have pointed out many times, Bernie Would Have Won.
If the Democrats ever put a real progressive up for president could they win?
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By real I mean not a pretend one that occasionally says they’ll do something progressive just to get votes but has no intention to fight for progressive ideals.
Not a Hillary style progressive that’s really establishment and is in corporations back pockets.
Hillary is SO progressive she's the reason Martin Skhreli is in jail and that she wants financial industry reforms.
Any candidate that says they question single payer isn't a true progressive. Ironically she was actually for it when she was first lady and then that corporate money hit her and she changed her tune.
Here's the thing about Democrats (and why I find the situation pretty hopeless):
-Progressive candidate? 1/4 of Democrats will bytch about the candidate being too far left and stay home. GOP wins.
-Moderate candidate? 1/4 of Democrats will bytch about the candidate being too establishment and stay home. GOP wins.
See the problem here?
-Progressive candidate? 1/4 of Democrats will bytch about the candidate being too far left and stay home. GOP wins.
-Moderate candidate? 1/4 of Democrats will bytch about the candidate being too establishment and stay home. GOP wins.
See the problem here?
AnonymityX1000
Veteran
We have gone the moderate/pragmatic route the last 30 years. It's time to go the progressive route. And it is the more likely route to get people who usually don't vote. We know they are uninterested in the current strategy.Here's the thing about Democrats (and why I find the situation pretty hopeless):
-Progressive candidate? 1/4 of Democrats will bytch about the candidate being too far left and stay home. GOP wins.
-Moderate candidate? 1/4 of Democrats will bytch about the candidate being too establishment and stay home. GOP wins.
See the problem here?
The problem is establishment Democrats are barely better than Republicans so nobody passionately supports the lesser of two evils when at times you need to squint to tell them apart. Republicans have passionate supporters because they pander to evangelicals on issues like abortion and pander to gun owners.Here's the thing about Democrats (and why I find the situation pretty hopeless):
-Progressive candidate? 1/4 of Democrats will bytch about the candidate being too far left and stay home. GOP wins.
-Moderate candidate? 1/4 of Democrats will bytch about the candidate being too establishment and stay home. GOP wins.
See the problem here?
Progressive issues tend to be popular so when the establishment falls on hard times they’ll pick an issue progressives support and begrudgingly back it like suddenly you see more establishment Dems saying they won’t take corporate PAC money anymore when as far as a year or a bit ago they would gladly take it.
At the same time a person that is really progressive makes the party shyt their pants if they become too popular. Bernie just off progressive issues went pretty far and his campaign was laughed off as a joke out the gate.
Single payer is what Obama wanted. But that’s not how history played out. It’s not as practical as Medicare for all At he moment.
Get off that dust and join us in the real world. Kicking and screaming doesn’t get you anything other than kicking and screaming.
The reason it hasn’t taken off here is because the country is not as liberal as people think it is. Full stop.
Some of y’all gotta realize where you actually live and stop avoiding reality
The Democratic Party routinely punches left. It will always prevent a left winger to run for President.
AnonymityX1000
Veteran
Progressive issues poll well. We have NEVER actually tried them so establishment types telling us we can't have nice things other nations not even as rich as ours have, sorry we have to call bullshyt.
People all across political types say they want progressive policies, we can definitely afford it and it would help people. Let's run on them. If we consistently lose we can switch back to pragmatism.
the cac mamba
Veteran
we need to run a no-fukks given progressive in 2020 
i know you all love watching Nap cheerlead mueller, but trump is not going to be arrested. he's gonna run again in 2020, and he's probably gonna win. so just for the fukk of it, the dems should run someone who's a far left nutcase to gauge how the country reacts to it
maybe im wrong. i HOPE im wrong, id love to see trump get arrested and the dems take it in 2020. but if i was a betting man i dont see it
i know you all love watching Nap cheerlead mueller, but trump is not going to be arrested. he's gonna run again in 2020, and he's probably gonna win. so just for the fukk of it, the dems should run someone who's a far left nutcase to gauge how the country reacts to it
maybe im wrong. i HOPE im wrong, id love to see trump get arrested and the dems take it in 2020. but if i was a betting man
i dont see it
the cac mamba
Veteran
well heres an example. 60 % of americans feel marijuana should be legal, but your girl hillary "didnt know all the facts" on it, and promised her corporate buddies that she wouldnt legalize it behind closed doors
so let's stay away from piece of shyt candidates like her in the future
I'm not sure Liberal or Progressive means what a lot of people assume it means.
I'm guessing most are referring to a "Real Progressive" as someone who agrees specifically with them on any given issue.
Good luck finding that person.
I'm guessing most are referring to a "Real Progressive" as someone who agrees specifically with them on any given issue.
Good luck finding that person.
ZoeGod
I’m from Brooklyn a place where stars are born.
Democrats beleive in incrementalism. The flaw with it this is when you have a right wing gvot come to power to destroy said incremental policies. FDR was considered progressive at his time and looked what he did. In any rate the Dems incrementalism strategy does not work when you have a ruthless lying party on the other side. Dems have to learn how to play dirty and hit the GOP below the belt. This whole they aim low we aim high is such bullshyt. The real world is not a comic book you have to be ruthless and bold. Democrats play to safe.
