If the only goal is to win a title, stopping Strasburg at 165 makes zero sense

[Jerz-2]

I don't know why the number is arbitrary considering that doctors say that the innings should be limited.

I also think it's funny how people think this is the Nats only chance at getting a title. Best record in baseball and yet the hitting has sucked most of the season outside of Ian Desmond. Our closer has been on the DL most of the year. The Nats have had so many injuries it's hilarious. And this team is very, very young. This contending thing is long term and I would rather have Strasburg for that, then to have his arm fall off after this year. And the best case to limit his innings is the guy who has been the best pitcher on the staff, and arguably NL, in Jordan Zimmerman. He had TJ surgery two years ago, had his innings limited last season, and is a CY Young contender this year without any issues.

I feel they need to spread Strasburg's starts to make sure he reaches 160, or whatever the limit is, at a better time but this is a long term thing, not just one season.

These.

Cats just aren't thinking from the business perspective, which is where the Nats brass are thinking from. They do NOT see this as a "small window of opportunity", they see themselves as being able to potentially make a run for the next several years. This team is mad youthful, has good pitching and, most significantly, is givin' that nikka entirely TOO MUCH money to potentially blow his arm out in pursuit of ONE postseason run that isn't even guaranteed. That's not smart business sense right there....

All that said, fukk the Nats, nikka.

 

[mastermind]

These.

Cats just aren't thinking from the business perspective, which is where the Nats brass are thinking from. They do NOT see this as a "small window of opportunity", they see themselves as being able to potentially make a run for the next several years. This team is mad youthful, has good pitching and, most significantly, is givin' that nikka entirely TOO MUCH money to potentially blow his arm out in pursuit of ONE postseason run that isn't even guaranteed. That's not smart business sense right there....

no doubt.

All that said, fukk the Nats, nikka.

enjoy October

 

[jadillac]

his arm fell off


how? This Nats team is young and really good, and has these guys on contracts for the next 4-5 years..

I understand your point, but it seems like baseball more than any other sport is too up & down from year to year. One team might be good one year, go deep in the playoffs, then come back the next year with the same players and not be nearly as good.

On top of that, it's so hard to get in the playoffs period in baseball.

At least an NBA team can fall off and still sneak in...same with NFL to a degree.

 

[Jerz-2]

enjoy October

 

[THE MACHINE]

The innings limit is crazy in and of itself....let's take two pitchers with the exact same medical situation and put them both on a 180 innings limit. Both end their seasons around mid September. Pitcher A averages 13 pitches/inning and pitcher B averages 18 pitches/inning. Pitcher B has thrown 900 more pitches but you want to sell me on them putting in the same amount of work.

 

[23Barrettcity]

They over pitched Joba and his arm fell off


I don't know why the number is arbitrary considering that doctors say that the innings should be limited.

I also think it's funny how people think this is the Nats only chance at getting a title. Best record in baseball and yet the hitting has sucked most of the season outside of Ian Desmond. Our closer has been on the DL most of the year. The Nats have had so many injuries it's hilarious. And this team is very, very young. This contending thing is long term and I would rather have Strasburg for that, then to have his arm fall off after this year. And the best case to limit his innings is the guy who has been the best pitcher on the staff, and arguably NL, in Jordan Zimmerman. He had TJ surgery two years ago, had his innings limited last season, and is a CY Young contender this year without any issues.

I feel they need to spread Strasburg's starts to make sure he reaches 160, or whatever the limit is, at a better time but this is a long term thing, not just one season.

joba got fukked up by the rules and by the other shyt. The thing is there is no science to it everyone is different strasburg could need tommy John next year for no reason

 

[courtdog]

When you make the offs, especially a mid level team like the Nats you HAVE to do everything possible to win for two reasons, one you might not make it back for a while, and two anyone can win in baseball. Now Im not saying trade a top prospect for merely decent hitter to try to go for it but you already have Strasburg, youre not really putting him at THAT much risk having him pitch to 182 or whatever the projection was plus some playoff games. Like the odds would still be low that that would be the reason he gets hurt. So how the fucck do you not stop the innings limit. I mean we arent talking Mark Prior, he wont pitch 210 innings plus playoffs. Hes gonna pitch 30 innings less basically. You have to take this opportunity. If Stras is winning 20 games but they aint making the offs so its wasted for the next 3-4 years theyll regret not going for it

Actually the idea they arent going for it is pretty ridiculous when you think about it. Its putting way too much stock in something completely unproven

I'd listen to the team doctors who said he needs to be on this limit over so guy who has no idea what the situation is.
All you can say is "Tommy John" like if you know a damn thing about TJ or how science is approaching it

what?

2007: 24.0 IP
2008: 100.1 IP
2009: 157.1 IP
2010: 71.2 IP
2011: 28.2 IP
2012: 4.2 IP

TOTAL: 386.2

F*ck outta here...

What I see is a gradual dropoff, but you don't want to link it to a dead arm?

I thought the only reason they were limiting him was because of the Tommy John a few years back.

They should shut him down though, so the Braves win the NL East

Braves not even gonna make the post season at this rate

joba got fukked up by the rules and by the other shyt. The thing is there is no science to it everyone is different strasburg could need tommy John next year for no reason

There is no PROVEN science as of yet, but doctors now believe if you limit the work.. you'll recover fully. It worked so far for Zimmerman, so they gonna follow what they know
As a Nats fan, I would like for him to be there in the post season
But if he's not? I have no fear/doubt the Nats will still be the team to beat

BRING IT ON, BRING YA ASSES bytchES!!!

 

[23Barrettcity]

The innings limit is crazy in and of itself....let's take two pitchers with the exact same medical situation and put them both on a 180 innings limit. Both end their seasons around mid September. Pitcher A averages 13 pitches/inning and pitcher B averages 18 pitches/inning. Pitcher B has thrown 900 more pitches but you want to sell me on them putting in the same amount of work.

Exactly it's impossible to real guarantee that strasburg Wont get hurt next year

 

[Spaceman Piff]

it's a business decision

 

[courtdog]

Exactly it's impossible to real guarantee that strasburg Wont get hurt next year

So then they should let him go based on what your saying

Look, what part of HIS DOCTORS put him on a innings limit do you guys NOT understand.
Nobody here is a doctor, or has expertise in handling Tommy John recoveries
The Nationals have the top people in the world working on this, and they say 160-180
You can't compare the next guy to Steve because the next guy didn't have steve's doctors. And if they did, well those doctors have learned there lesson and now this is how you handle TJ recoveries

It worked for Zimmerman, and it seems to be working for Strauss
As a fan of the Nats, I'm not mad. I'm confident we are good enough to STILL WIN IT ALL w/out him
He'll be a pillar for the next decade hopefully...

 

[FaTaL]

im glad

go giants!

 

[mastermind]

Exactly it's impossible to real guarantee that strasburg Wont get hurt next year

its not all about Tommy John surgery, its more about building arm strength in a young pitcher.

 

[SubZeroDegrees]

Wrong thread

 

[We Ready]

Braves not even gonna make the post season at this rate

At what rate?

 

[wtfyomom]

fucck all this bullshiit about his doctors, doctors arent God. What we have is correlation between innings pitched and inuries not causation, first of all. Big difference. Secondly even the info on the correaltion is sketchy. Try reading articles on it instead of being a schill for your teams ownership group, you sound like a Red Sox fan.

What good is Stras winning cy youngs gonna be on a team that aint making the offs possibly for the next 4-5 years. Baseball the most unpredicatable sport, EVERYTHING broke right for the Nats this season and there is no team out there clearly better than them. They should not go for it, then 5 years from now the new study comes out saying it aint that important to limit innings?

And Joba do not bring him up, what killed him wasnt overusage. It was not making a descion one way or the other to either start him or keep him in the pen, thats what did him in. Plus the Yanks didnt even do the innings limit correctly, they tried to have him start games at the end of the season but only be able to pitch 50 pitches or something, the whole thing was just handled atrociously. Its not like Joba threw 200 innings and his arm fell off