If we are pro choice, we should be anti child support

[Sierra Mist]

Whose bodies were involved to create the seed?

I masturbate every now and again and have yet to have a positive pregnancy test, b

The body that the woman had to say YES in order for him to enter. It's not about how many it takes to dance. It's about who you decide to let dance with you. Bottom line, women are the gate keepers. Women have the power to say no. Nowhere else in the world does the person who has 100% of the power have 0% of the responsibility. Ultimately the woman has the final say of whether or not a child is born. Women need to drop this Peter Parker Complex.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

You pay child support so tax payers dont have to. You should pay child support even if you dont want too and abortion should be illegal unless medical emergencies require it. If a woman gets raped, she should report it and immediately take a plan b pill before fertilization occurs.

 

[Yinny]

The body that the woman had to say YES in order for him to enter. It's not about how many it takes to dance. It's about who you decide to let dance with you. Bottom line, women are the gate keepers. Women have the power to say no. No where else in the world does the person who has 100% of the power have 0% of the responsibility. Ultimately the woman has the final say of whether or not a child is born. Women need to drop this Peter Parker Complex.

Exaggeration, much?

So tell me what you think is an appropriate solution to women giving birth. Should men get an automatic opt-out clause because the woman carried it to term?

 

[Sierra Mist]

Exaggeration, much?

So tell me what you think is an appropriate solution to women giving birth. Should men get an automatic opt-out clause because the woman carried it to term?

Not an exaggeration but an unfortunate reality.
The woman doesn't want a baby but the man does. The woman can abort the baby and the man can't do shyt about it.
The man doesn't want the baby but the woman does. The man opts out of fatherhood and still has to pay.

Only women are allowed a "get out of jail free card" when it comes to parenthood. With that ultimate power comes ultimate responsibility. Don't get mad at me. Tell me what I'm saying isn't true.

 

[DaChampIsHere]

There are privileges to being a man in society.

There are privileges to being a woman in society.

Childbirth and vaginal control happen to not be a privilege of men.

Deal with it.

 

[Yinny]

Not an exaggeration but an unfortunate reality.
The woman doesn't want a baby but the man does. The woman can abort the baby and the man can't do shyt about it.
The man doesn't want the baby but the woman does. The man opts out of fatherhood and still has to pay.

Only women are allowed a "get out of jail free card" when it comes to parenthood. With that ultimate power comes ultimate responsibility. Don't get mad at me. Tell me what I'm saying isn't true.

You haven't answered my question. I'm not mad, I'm trying to understand your reasoning, as well as that of the threadstarter. I've been convinced long ago y'all just like to say shyt to bash, without actually thinking through what you type.

Abortion is not a "get out of jail free" card, but y'all have convinced yourselves that every woman has five abortions a year or some shyt. And the rest of us are just out here to throw your wallets in the bushes

And yes, a woman can say no. But so can a man. He can also say "no" to going raw. BOTH parties are responsible for what happens out of them having consensual sex. Really though?

 

[FTBS]

People like to say "it's a females choice to do what she wants with her body, she can kill the "unborn baby", if thats the case I think a father should have the choice on what he wants to spend his money on. If ho'z don't have to keep their own babies, then fathers shouldnt have to pay for them if they dont want to.

I've been saying this shyt for years. Mom doesn't need dad's approval to abort the kid because it's her body. So if he really wants a kid but mom doesn't it's for him and his child will be disposed of. However if mom really wants a kid but dad doesn't once again it's for him and he's on the hook for 18 years. You are absolutely right if we are gonna let women get themselves off the hook autonomously becuase it's "her body" then that should apply to across the board. It's her body, her kid, her problem if you wanna look at it like that.

I'm sure people will say if they havent' already that "people should be more careful" or "he shoulda thought of that before he hit raw" etc. however if that's the case then their shouldn't be any abortion outside of rape/incest or it should take consent from both parents to abort a child. If you are gonna give the mom an option to get out without Dad's consent then Dad should have the same option.

 

[AAKing23]

I've been saying this shyt for years. Mom doesn't need dad's approval to abort the kid because it's her body. So if he really wants a kid but mom doesn't it's for him and his child will be disposed of. However if mom really wants a kid but dad doesn't once again it's for him and he's on the hook for 18 years. You are absolutely right if we are gonna let women get themselves off the hook autonomously becuase it's "her body" then that should apply to across the board. It's her body, her kid, her problem if you wanna look at it like that.

I'm sure people will say if they havent' already that "people should be more careful" or "he shoulda thought of that before he hit raw" etc. however if that's the case then their shouldn't be any abortion outside of rape/incest or it should take consent from both parents to abort a child. If you are gonna give the mom an option to get out without Dad's consent then Dad should have the same option.

nikkas need to start saying "It's my sperm, my choice"

 

[MeachTheMonster]

nikkas need to start saying "It's my sperm, my choice"

Stop putting your sperm in raggoty bytches.

People want to look at the baby as the choice/responsibility when actually the SEX is the choice/responsibility.

 

[Sierra Mist]

You haven't answered my question. I'm not mad, I'm trying to understand your reasoning, as well as that of the threadstarter. I've been convinced long ago y'all just like to say shyt to bash, without actually thinking through what you type.

Abortion is not a "get out of jail free" card, but y'all have convinced yourselves that every woman has five abortions a year or some shyt. And the rest of us are just out here to throw your wallets in the bushes

And yes, a woman can say no. But so can a man. He can also say "no" to going raw. BOTH parties are responsible for what happens out of them having consensual sex. Really though?

I don't "bash" anyone. You're placing me in a category I'm not a part of. I do think what I say through. Fact is women love power, love privilege and hate accountability.

I already said I agree it takes two to dance but it's not about how man it takes to dance as much as it's about who you let dance with you.

ULTIMATELY women have the final say of whether or not a child comes into this world. People even justify it with "well it's her body so it's her choice." Ok. Your body. Your choice. Your responsibility. It's not complicated whatsoever but I guess women are just so used to having ZERO accountability for shyt they do since society always gives them pillows to cushion their falls that they don't understand the basic principle that power should not exist without responsibility.

A man can say no to sex too. Fine. Can a man say no to a woman's decision to have an abortion? Nope... It's your body right? That is the ULTIMATE decision when it comes to giving birth... With ultimate power comes ultimate responsibility. People also need to stop pretending that women aren't getting abortions. The number 1 cause of death in many communities ESPECIALLY the black community is abortion, but people pretend that just because people are too scared to openly admit it that it doesn't happen.

Women stop acting like you're perfect angels. I wouldn't go so hard if you would stop acting like you're some sacred angels who do no wrong. fukk that shyt. I'm tired of this "infallibility" card.

YOUR BODY. YOUR CHOICE. YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. PERIOD.

 

[SuburbanPimp]

so why do you absolve women of all personal responsibility? they have the right to keep their legs closed, birth control, abortion, and adoption.

but it all still falls back to "well, you shouldn't have fukked her"

They are to blame too... Its equal 50/50 when it comes to the personal responsibility part and who you choose to lay down with.

But I don't see how they are absolved of the responsibility when they are the ones who have to raise the child whether the father helps out or not.

Its not like females can have a baby, hand them to the father and say okay you raise him and I'll be through every other weekend to help you out.

I used to be mad about this shyt too when I first had my son, shyt didn't seem fair. but I understand it more the older I get. At least "Child Support" puts some fear in dudes heart and stops them from making (some) bad decisions. With no child support there would be even more children with no fathers around and no matter how you look at it, thats a bad thing..

 

[AAKing23]

Stop putting your sperm in raggoty bytches.

People want to look at the baby as the choice/responsibility when actually the SEX is the choice/responsibility.

I haven't even had sex yet , so this don't apply to me


And btw how come your logic doesn't apply to women letting raggedy nikkas nut up in them



Oh wait I forgot, women are incapable of taking responsibility for their actions, thanks for clearing that up for me

 

[Sierra Mist]

Even when it comes to child support a woman can tell a man he's not allowed to see his OWN fukking child, yet the man still has to give the WOMAN money for his child. Once again the man having no power over his own fukking child, yet still holds responsibility.

Think about that for a second. A man can have no say in what his child does. No power at all, yet still he is held responsible.

A woman can be a crack head and still have custody. "Mama even though you was a crack fiend you was still a black queen."

I think people are allergic to logic.

 

[marcuz]

They are to blame too... Its equal 50/50 when it comes to the personal responsibility part and who you choose to lay down with.

But I don't see how they are absolved of the responsibility when they are the ones who have to raise the child whether the father helps out or not.

Its not like females can have a baby, hand them to the father and say okay you raise him and I'll be through every other weekend to help you out.

I used to be mad about this shyt too when I first had my son, shyt didn't seem fair. but I understand it more the older I get. At least "Child Support" puts some fear in dudes heart and stops them from making (some) bad decisions. With no child support there would be even more children with no fathers around and no matter how you look at it, thats a bad thing..

how is it 50/50? i just broke down how women have all the rights and you say it's 50/50? it's more like 80/20. you have no rights as a male and it's proven when all you can fall back on is "you shouldn't have slept with her"

yea whole argument doesn't make any sense to me. if the child support system was abolished, it'd put fear in the ladies to stop letting any and everybody go up in them unprotected.

 

[marcuz]

I haven't even had sex yet , so this don't apply to me

really


either way, these dudes sound stupid always trynna push blame on dudes who don't have kids and aint out here fukking recklessly.