If you suffer from anxiety and depression..

[Duke Wy Lin]

CBT (cognitive behavioral therapy) is also very useful because it's action oriented rather than purely analytical.

 

[get my pool]

Taking ashwaganda helped my anxiety a lot

 

[Mandarin Duck]

They see the world and ppl around them as mental projections and not realities that exist independently of their mental experiences.

It's interesting you'd say this because I find myself doing this during social interactions.

I'm not thinking about what's going on in the moment, but moreso how the interaction will affect me.

 

[Jasonmask]

just hit the gym

cold approach women

get some certs


profit


the the the coli dot com

I know you’re being sarcastic but going to the gym for me has been my solace lately. When I don’t go is when I’ll be emotional

 

[Still Benefited]

..... it will do plenty...... a person suffering from anxiety and all the others who most likely has no idea why they are spinning their wheels is going to know better how to handle their mental issues than a traimed professional who has learned the way the human mind works amd can provide a structured understanding of why a person is thinking tje way they think?



Your heart is in the right place, but settle down wit that talk.. .

Those people should look up their astrology. Its catered directly to you and far less subjective. Psychiatrist are more likely to just give you new ways to victimize yourself. In order to exploit you for more money .

 

[trap101-ETHout-Allegri-In]

Talk therapy is not the only form of therapy. I didn't say all therapy will not work. Men typically benefit from different forms of therapy than "couch therapy". I base this on the writings of psychologists who work with males like Gregory Koufacos. Men benefit more from male mentorship, having a group of men they can bond with, being active etc.

Again, all individuals are different so this isn't set in stone. But I tend to agree with that position.

Your heart is in the right plave, but another broad and wild generalization. You are providing a concrete example of the real issue: you see it as a sign of "weakness" or "fragility" if a man has to talk to a therpist. You don't habe to say it in all those words, but by negating and dismissimg the importance of mental therapy amd thinking some "bonding" and "mentorship" is gonna alleviate the mental miswiring and thought processes someone has is naieve.

 

[Paper Boi]

I know you’re being sarcastic but going to the gym for me has been my solace lately. When I don’t go is when I’ll be emotional

I believe exercise is great for everyone's health...



but yeah coli always hit people with the same advice like it will make all their problems go away

 

[Duke Wy Lin]

It's interesting you'd say this because I find myself doing this during social interactions.

I'm not thinking about what's going on in the moment, but moreso how the interaction will affect me.

Yeah I think we all experience that from time to time. Moreso if we suffer from anxiety.

Ppl who suffer from social anxiety do not focus on being present with the ppl around them and genuinely engaging them. Instead they're focused on what the other person might reflect back to them about themselves. How they appear etc. The moment they transcend that and see the other person as a fully subjective being, their anxiety will decrease. I can guarantee this.

 

[Duke Wy Lin]

Your heart is in the right plave, but another broad and wild generalization. You are providing a concrete example of the real issue: you see it as a sign of "weakness" or "fragility" if a man has to talk to a therpist. You don't habe to say it in all those words, but by negating and dismissimg the importance of mental therapy amd thinking some "bonding" and "mentorship" is gonna alleviate the mental miswiring and thought processes someone has is naieve.

No I don't see it as weakness at all bro. You are projecting that unto what I said.

I just don't think that this particular form of therapy is effective for most men. It's my personal opinion that other forms of therapy like CBT or more action oriented forms of therapy are more effective. Not because they are more "manly" or "badass", but because according to what I've observed and some literature that I've read over the years, they appear to be more effective.

I might be wrong tho. I am not going to die on this hill.

 

[MicIsGod]

Your heart is in the right plave, but another broad and wild generalization. You are providing a concrete example of the real issue: you see it as a sign of "weakness" or "fragility" if a man has to talk to a therpist. You don't habe to say it in all those words, but by negating and dismissimg the importance of mental therapy amd thinking some "bonding" and "mentorship" is gonna alleviate the mental miswiring and thought processes someone has is naieve.

You get it. That kinda thinking just adds to the pressure men feel with mental health.

 

[Duke Wy Lin]

Your heart is in the right plave, but another broad and wild generalization. You are providing a concrete example of the real issue: you see it as a sign of "weakness" or "fragility" if a man has to talk to a therpist. You don't habe to say it in all those words, but by negating and dismissimg the importance of mental therapy amd thinking some "bonding" and "mentorship" is gonna alleviate the mental miswiring and thought processes someone has is naieve.

CBT does deal with thought processes but it also involves action. You are also severely underestimating the importance of peer to peer bonding for males. Mentorship is also extremely important for our mental health especially when we are young. All of this is pretty much established at this point.

 

[trap101-ETHout-Allegri-In]

No I don't see it as weakness at all bro. You are projecting that unto what I said.

I just don't think that this particular form of therapy is effective for most men. It's my personal opinion that other forms of therapy like CBT or more action oriented forms of therapy are more effective.

I might be wrong tho. I am not going to die on this hill.

But CBT is mental therapy.....I think we agree overall. I definitely belive action must be taken on the part of the individual. When I talk about mental therapy I'm saying that the therapist is providing an explanation to you about why you behave the way you behave. So anecdotally from me I had general amxiety, mainly social, I explained things to my therapist amd they were able to predict what the next things I was going to describe were going to be. Not in a clairvoyant type of way, but based on how the brain processes situations. In the end I had to do the work amd it was all CBT.

I may have come off a bit abrasive at first, but it's cause I'm tired of seeing our people suffer and attempt to "figure things out on oir own". Just had an older aunt going through shyt and she is on the suck it up and do it on my own tip amd I could see her crumbling...

 

[trap101-ETHout-Allegri-In]

Yeah I think we all experience that from time to time. Moreso if we suffer from anxiety.

Ppl who suffer from social anxiety do not focus on being present with the ppl around them and genuinely engaging them. Instead they're focused on what the other person might reflect back to them about themselves. How they appear etc. The moment they transcend that and see the other person as a fully subjective being, their anxiety will decrease. I can guarantee this.

See your talking sense here, but you had to learn these conxepts. They're not imparted on you without guidance. Hence the mental aspect

 

[Duke Wy Lin]

But CBT is mental therapy.....I think we agree overall. I definitely belive action must be taken on the part of the individual. When I talk about mental therapy I'm saying that the therapist is providing an explanation to you about why you behave the way you behave. So anecdotally from me I had general amxiety, mainly social, I explained things to my therapist amd they were able to predict what the next things I was going to describe were going to be. Not in a clairvoyant type of way, but based on how the brain processes situations. In the end I had to do the work amd it was all CBT.

I may have come off a bit abrasive at first, but it's cause I'm tired of seeing our people suffer and attempt to "figure things out on oir own". Just had an older aunt going through shyt and she is on the suck it up and do it on my own tip amd I could see her crumbling...

But that's very different from what I mean by "talk therapy". I'm referring to spending months, maybe years "unpacking" your childhood and sharing your dreams etc.. it's a specific form of therapy called psychoanalysis. Think Freud and his cohorts. It has its place and I do enjoy delving into the theory behind it, but in general, what I've read from experienced psychologists, who specialize in treating men, is that this particular form of therapy is not useful to men. Certainly not as useful as other forms.

Rationally trying to understand your negative thoughts and belief systems, patterns of behavior etc is all useful. But there's a limit and the therapy has to involve some action is all I'm saying.

I think we basically agree tbh. Maybe I my initial post was too vague.

 

[Duke Wy Lin]

To add to what I said in point 2:

Humility in terms of understanding that your mental projections are not necessarily = reality is also important. I can't count the number of times I assumed I had figured someone's intention out only to be embarrassed at my thoughts later on.

The biggest takeaway from this thread should be:

Whatever you need to grapple with in order to move forward in your life, do it now. It will NOT go away by itself. It will only get more difficult the more you use escapism and procrastination as mechanisms for self-soothing.

If you need therapy, don't wait until someone recommends the perfect therapist. Try out different therapists, you'll eventually find one that you vibe with. But start with physical changes. Work out. Improved diet etc. And pay attention to how these things effect your energy level and sense of wellbeing.