If You Want To Know What Will Happen To America's Blacks Look Toward The Natives

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

@Entrapta310 who the fukk is Kid Wave and why should I care? Only Kid Wave I know about is Nas in the late 80s w/ orange dreads and a krylon can

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

Nobody said "ALL natives weren't 100%"...a 100% native person is rare to find in 2016, even on the rez, even with a tribal card. Too much interbreeding and they have the weakest genes ever.

 

[Entrapta310]

I never lived in the Caribbean. I was, however, on the rez last year. I'm from the states, I live in Canada, I just moved here.
metis people : Mostly white.
Natives in the US: A lot have been whitewashed. Explain English last names when residential schools have been closed for 20+ years. Explain blue eyes. Explain strawberry blonde hair. Easy: white genes intermixed.
Nobody in the US is 100% anything...not even the "natives".
They're being whitewashed and bred out, too. I bet you think you're native. NOPE.

actually, i am part taino who bred with an african in puerto rico.
sorry to tell you that not all natives have european blood and not all native americans in the americas are NOT 100% native.
how can you even say that? then you are admitting that most AA in america arent 100% african and should be labeled mixed.

 

[Cabbage Patch]

im native, i dont get shyt from anyone.

Did we have this conversation before?

Native disenfranchisement in the US and Canada is not the same as black disenfranchisement. For being poor, Natives are rich in ways blacks can't be. The disenfranchisement is real, the poverty is real, but so is the wealth. Some of that wealth is in intangibles. Some is in contracts, trust funds and dividends. Distribution is at play.

Fiercely holding onto traditional lifestyles in a material Western world also is at play. How does one balance respect for the life of the elders against the rest? Should poverty only be measured by how one is or isn't living materially compared to Westerners?

I don't think it should.

And we can argue about it in tribal court.... which black folk don't have, either. There's levels to this.

 

[Taadow]

There's a ring of sense to what you're saying, but:

i'll be legit shocked if America lasts 100 more years (although to be fair, most of that would be because I would see it. lol)

 

[Mowgli]

Sees mostly cacs and half breeds in agreeance.

In 500 years us and our great great grandkids will all be dead.

Ww3 will kill even more people.

The future is not set in stone.

Dwell on doing what's right and have a nice life. You'll never know what's going to happen

 

[kingdizzy01]

Did we have this conversation before?

Native disenfranchisement in the US and Canada is not the same as black disenfranchisement. For being poor, Natives are rich in ways blacks can't be. The disenfranchisement is real, the poverty is real, but so is the wealth. Some of that wealth is in intangibles. Some is in contracts, trust funds and dividends. Distribution is at play.

Fiercely holding onto traditional lifestyles in a material Western world also is at play. How does one balance respect for the life of the elders against the rest? Should poverty only be measured by how one is or isn't living materially compared to Westerners?

I don't think it should.

And we can argue about it in tribal court.... which black folk don't have, either. There's levels to this.

nah that wasnt me. i understand the difference between native and black disenfranchisement. i was just stating im not getting any government checks or free college just for being 'native'.

 

[Cabbage Patch]

Nobody said "ALL natives weren't 100%"...a 100% native person is rare to find in 2016, even on the rez, even with a tribal card. Too much interbreeding and they have the weakest genes ever.

My observation is that interbreeding on the rez can still mean marrying someone from the next village over 5 miles yonder, though. Blood quantum and traditional identity is exacting in separate ways.

So someone can definitely be 100% out west and in Hawaii and Alaska.There are many 100%ers. But they are half-village1 and half-village2. And God help you if you're half-nation1 and half-nation2, in a teasing way (unless casino payouts are in play, then the drama is real).

Back East and in Oklahoma, no, everyone has been replaced with white changelings. You have a point.

 

[Entrapta310]

and most natives from north america came in through canada.
they are light natives. but not european. their dialect resembles asian languages. not european ones
southern native tribes fought with northern ones.

 

[Cabbage Patch]

actually, i am part taino who bred with an african in puerto rico.
sorry to tell you that not all natives have european blood and not all native americans in the americas are NOT 100% native.
how can you even say that? then you are admitting that most AA in america arent 100% african and should be labeled mixed.

Most AAs are mixed, white native and black. The purest AAs are the Gullah, and they're being waited out. The Gullah don't have the protections of Natives.

As for being labeled mixed, identity is about the mind as much as the blood. We are black. The buffer race is Latin.

 

[.༼-◕_◕-༽.]

WRONG again.
It wasn't just smallpox, it was allegiance to a losing group of cacs, aka the French...It was religion...and now it's ALCOHOL. They're not wired to withstand it. Black people have the immune systems to fight smallpox...we traded with cacs in Africa and it simply didn't affect us in the same manner.

We didn't have the immune systems, we had the SCIENCE of inoculations.

 

[Cabbage Patch]

nah that wasnt me. i understand the difference between native and black disenfranchisement. i was just stating im not getting any government checks or free college just for being 'native'.

Why not? If your nation has a contract with the government, that is not welfare, thats a trust fund, which is different. The govt has to honor the contract - as does your nation. So if the govt is using mineral rights belonging to your tribe, in accordance with the contract the govt needs to make those payments and they need to be distributed properly. The tribe decides properly.

What type of contracts does your nation have?

Being wary of the local Indian clinic or school is not the same as not having it at all.

And you may not take advantage of Native preference personally, but it's still there in those positions.

 

[Entrapta310]

Most AAs are mixed, white native and black. The purest AAs are the Gullah, and they're being waited out. The Gullah don't have the protections of Natives.

As for being labeled mixed, identity is about the mind as much as the blood. We are black. The buffer race is Latin.

you dont think arabian is also a factor? ive had friends who look arab and african and they know their facial features are different and not african.

 

[itsyoung!!]

Natives are paid. They were treated as sovereign nations, and still are. Contracts are upheld for the most part, and the trust funds pay out, even when it's a little bit and they have to fight for the rest. Keep language and customs, an entire state department dedicated, explicit Native preferences in hiring which are legal (or - if you see a job listing with Native preference listed don't bother applying unless you already have the job), and the land they own now is untouchable even if it's less in the European sense.

Black folk have none of that.

you have no idea what the fukk you are talking about

 

[itsyoung!!]

there are some full blooded natives on reserves. not all of them died and bred with europeans.
those on reservations are 100% native. thats how you get on the reserve.


and they werent genetically least fit. they were stronger and smarter than the europeans but didnt have the weapons and warfare they had to remain alive and large.
and most africans werent strong to the europeans disease... their masters made SURE they didnt get sikk like the indians.
europeans intentionally killed the natives and kept the slaves alive to work their land

I know mixed natives on reservations