If You Were A Club Owner, Would You Book A Lot Of Rappers At Current Prices?

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ur talking out ur ass. These nikkas will perform at your house as long as the money right.

"Insane booking fee;s arent performing at clubs anymore"....what does that even mean?

define crazy money. Cause as far im concerned 10-15k is crazy money for the artists thats charging that.

I cant think of any person worth booking, from a financial perspective, thats charging less then 15.

I think what he's trying to say is there is no way the money can be right for some artist to perform at certain types of spots because certain types of spots can't possibly generate enough money for the artist. They have gone into a price range where the average club isn't making that type of money to book them. The big name artist are doing stadiums, coliseums and arenas while mid level artist are the ones doing clubs.
 

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I think what he's trying to say is there is no way the money can be right for some artist to perform at certain types of spots because certain types of spots can't possibly generate enough money for the artist. They have gone into a price range where the average club isn't making that type of money to book them. The big name artist are doing stadiums, coliseums and arenas while mid level artist are the ones doing clubs.

he said the artists wont perform in certain venues as if the artist gives a phuk.......

my point is that these nikkas get paid up front so they dont give a dam where they perform.......its the person who books them responsibility to book a venue that could make it profitable for themselves.......

and my other point is at the prices most all these nikkas is charging there is no way to make a profit unless u getting cash off the bar.....which isnt the standard arrangement.
 

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I actually work in this industry and 9 times out of 10 Club Owners NEVER book artists. Independent promoters who are looking to flip whatever money they have. So a independent promoter will take $15,000 Book an artist like and rent the club for a night for an example $5000. Now they sell tickets at in advance$40, $60 at the door VIP at $300.

You sell $1000 Regular tickets = $40,000 + 20 VIP = $6000 + an extra $2000 at the door now you have made $48 thousand-$20,000 invested = $28,000.
 

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I actually work in this industry and 9 times out of 10 Club Owners NEVER book artists. Independent promoters who are looking to flip whatever money they have. So a independent promoter will take $15,000 Book an artist like and rent the club for a night for an example $5000. Now they sell tickets at in advance$40, $60 at the door VIP at $300.

You sell $1000 Regular tickets = $40,000 + 20 VIP = $6000 + an extra $2000 at the door now you have made $48 thousand-$20,000 invested = $28,000 an $8000 profit.

Your end math is confusing. If you invested 20,000 and get bet 48,000 surely you meant 28,000 profit. Also didnt include the cost of security (does the promoter or club provide this?) and promotion.
 

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Your end math is confusing. If you invested 20,000 and get bet 48,000 surely you meant 28,000 profit. Also didnt include the cost of security (does the promoter or club provide this?) and promotion.

Yea my bad i meant $28,000 lol im sleepy. But yes once you give the club owner whatever price you agree on, for the club they provide the bar and the staff, now sometimes you can get them to lower the price because if you provide your own security and liquor.
 

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Nah? We're not talking about just big cities.

We're talking about mid to small sized towns that can't afford prices like Future. You think some random hood town can afford Future? A town with a population of 30,000 can get Future at $46k? Future don't go to places like that anymore.

So who are these clubs gonna get for artists? Cash Out? They can't even afford Gunplay. :heh:

:laff:
 

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When you can make 200-300 or more off each bottle of alcohol you paid wholesale for at 20-30 bucks max. Making 10x profit, ya you do whatever gets people in the door. Charge a cover...


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:dead: you can buy a gallon of grey goose at times for $35 at costco, these clubs are getting these 5ths and liters for $5-10 a pop cause they buy 100 at a time

$500 for 100 bottles that youll sell for $200-500 each :wow:

then $10-12 a shot :wow:

If you see a club pushing a certain alcohol hard like Sveka or Skyy Vodka then they even got the damn bottles for free and the alcohol is using the club to promote them

"Free Sveka bottle if you bring 10 people before 10:30" but they open the doors at 10:20 :pachaha:

its all a hustle and its a good one
 

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:dead: at 50k for future

my roommate used to manage a club on fukking broadway in frisco, Gucci Mane and them can scream 30+k for a show all they want but truth is you offer them $5-10k and flight for them they on they way the next thing out the air port..

:dead: at clearing 100k in alcohol revenue in a fukking night

clubs on BROADWAY in SAN FRANCISCO be happy as fukk to hit 10k on a GREAT night like Fleet Week
 

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:dead: at 50k for future

my roommate used to manage a club on fukking broadway in frisco, Gucci Mane and them can scream 30+k for a show all they want but truth is you offer them $5-10k and flight for them they on they way the next thing out the air port..

:dead: at clearing 100k in alcohol revenue in a fukking night

clubs on BROADWAY in SAN FRANCISCO be happy as fukk to hit 10k on a GREAT night like Fleet Week

Just curious but how much for Too Short?
 

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this ain't walmart... none of this shyt is set in stone. and most rappers and their management will work shyt out with you.. i've booked rappers, i know promoters who have booked MAJOR artists, and minor nobody's.. it works like this

you step to the venue.. "i wanna bring in ________ to your club. i'll promote it and everything. what's that gonna take"

now here comes your skill as a negotiator. cause he's gonna offer either the bar or the door.. or a percentage of each... that's ALL ON YOU as to what you can argue for. and if you can't get what you want, you take it to another venue and try to get what you want


ok deal with venue is made.. you get the door only.. the venue can hold 1000 people. well now you gotta go book the artist. you call him "look man. i know you charge 100k a show, but we're a small town, i can only afford to pay you 20k"

he either gonna do it or not. he's not getting that full rider.. you tell him that. you tell him you can't afford a 1000 a night suite and first class... he might still do it.. he might not..

if you can't get that 100k a show guy to come, you better start looking at nikkas on a lower level. but don't think just cause that's the MOST they get for a show, that it is the same thing they WILL accept


ok so you got your venue, you booked the artist for 20k and hotel at the ramada and rental car..........


now what you make is ALL ON YOU.. don't matter that the club holds 1000... on a normal night, they charge $10 to get in.. but tonight... i don't care if it's Wiz or it's Beanie Sigel, they charging, 20, 30, 40... shyt some artists performing at Love, i've seen it be 50 to get in.. 20 times 1000 people is making back the payment.. 30 a night and you just make 30k in one night.


whatever it is, you figure out the math, how many tickets you think you can sell, the price of the tickets, and every damn thing else BEFORE YOU BOOK THE ARTIST. and that's the difference between a great promoter and a shytty one.

a shytty one will get wiz for 50k, in a venue too small, charge too much, and nobody comes... and once wiz finds out you only sold 250 tickets, he ain't showing up. cause there's a clause in his contract that a certain number of people show up cause it hurts his brand to be filmed in such a dusty, empty place..

















so yea... i'd do it if the numbers worked out. as long as the numbers work out.. and you do the damn numbers ahead of time.. you should be fine. of course you can't win everytime... but in no way should you be losing money on every show unless you just don't know what the hell you doing
 

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:dead: at 50k for future

my roommate used to manage a club on fukking broadway in frisco, Gucci Mane and them can scream 30+k for a show all they want but truth is you offer them $5-10k and flight for them they on they way the next thing out the air port..

:dead: at clearing 100k in alcohol revenue in a fukking night

clubs on BROADWAY in SAN FRANCISCO be happy as fukk to hit 10k on a GREAT night like Fleet Week

the thing about those "show" prices they holler about is..... they are usually talking about the MOST they get.. stadium tour.. tours the label sets up with large venues.. overseas tours.. big ass colleges for homecoming and shyt

wiz get 100k when him and currency touring the US.. but he ain't getting 100k when it's time to perform at the fountain blue in miami. they'd never make their money back... but a $50 ticket at an NBA arena... selling about 10000 tickets, plus the prices of concession stands and charging merch stands and shyt... they make that back easy...

but then you gotta think of, what type of promoter got that much money.. and pull to book an nba arena... those usually are set up through the label.. who high balls it cause they want a bigger cut from your 360 deal anyway
 
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