Very strategic. I was in it..
All of it is a cash grab.. So much money changes hands in the court system..
Illinois Becomes 1st State To Eliminate Cash Bail
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Very strategic. I was in it..
All of it is a cash grab.. So much money changes hands in the court system..
Because cash bail mostly affects poor black people and this poster is slyly saying he thinks these poor black people are Inherently criminal
not like the folks who can afford bail, they just made a mistake
yet you want to keep the current cash bail system in place.
Violent mfers who don't know how to act need to stay locked down.. PERIOD!!
I was hemmed up on some misdemeanor shyt.. But it still cost me money.. And before I committed the shyt, I knew what I was getting into.. So I had the money to get out of the shyt..
Brehs who get hemmed up on some bullshyt petty crimes need to be let out and face their day in court.. Maybe they'll turn their life around for the good..
Reckless nikkas, sticking up 80 year old women, need to sit.. IDGAF what generation it happened in, or what color you are..
You aint shyt but a vote to the politicians that pass these bills. And a participant in the progress of W.S, if you're violating black people..
Yapdatfool
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The second ibonds was established no cash bail was the most logical next step. And its not like dudes on cash bail, in the WPP, informants etc. can't and don't commit crime. Hell even in jail they committing shyt.
This is one of those things that Illinois HAS to get right for the sake of the rest of us. Violent criminals will benefit just like the petty criminals will, as fukked up as it is.
This is one of those things that Illinois HAS to get right for the sake of the rest of us. Violent criminals will benefit just like the petty criminals will, as fukked up as it is.
You were attacking "No-Cash Bail" not the process that decided whether or not a suspect should get bail.
I never defended suspects arrested on violent charges.
You're the one supporting a position thats also supported by every right-wing conservative and police/corrections union.
If you sincerely believe no-cash bail is harmful to black communities then we have nothing else to discuss.
Violent criminals are eating off of no cash bail breh.. If 100 none violent offenders can get blessed off no cash bail, then cool.. But the judges are slipping 20 violent offenders through on purpose to carry out shyt they themselves would've been called out for on W.S.. Thats Taking out black lives..
White people want you dead by any means necessary.. Even if its by a black man out on no cash bail..
That's why I say the only way to fight W.S is through unity.. Which is something nikkas refuse to do..
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This should only apply to non-violent crime s
Column: Bail reform isn’t to blame for Chicago’s violence. And finger-pointing doesn’t help.
Column: Bail reform isn’t to blame for Chicago’s violence. And finger-pointing doesn’t help.
By REX HUPPKE
CHICAGO TRIBUNE |
JUL 07, 2021 AT 3:47 PM
Chicago police Superintendent David Brown speaks to the press outside Advocate Christ Medical Center after a police officer and two federal agents were shot on the Far South Side on July 7, 2021. (Antonio Perez / Chicago Tribune)
On the heels of a grimly violent Fourth of July weekend, with more than 100 people shot and 17 killed, the last thing Chicago needs is city officials pointing fingers.
But here we are.
Police Superintendent David Brown tried to blame the hot weekend’s convulsion of violence on the Cook County court system’s bail reform, saying too many violent offenders are being released on electronic monitoring.
“Chicago police officers are doing their job by arresting people and charging them with murder,” Brown said. “That’s doing our part. And what’s happening in the courts, it’s creating this unsafe environment for all of us.”
The police are absolutely making arrests and getting guns off the streets. And it’s important to note that five law enforcement officers have been wounded in shootings in Chicago this week, including a Chicago police officer and two agents with the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives shot Wednesday morning on the South Side. Brown said 36 officers have been shot or shot at this year.
There’s no understating the danger these women and men put themselves in working to keep the city safe.
But it’s unfair, inaccurate and unhelpful for Brown to blame the courts for creating an unsafe environment, largely because there’s no data to back up his claim.
Bail reform was enacted because too many defendants — innocent until proven guilty, per the rules of our justice system — were stuck in jail awaiting their day in court simply because they didn’t have enough money. The cash bail system tends to keep poorer defendants locked up, regardless of the nature of their crimes.
Bail reform doesn’t mean every person charged with a crime gets out. Judges can still keep people they believe might be a threat to the community locked up.
The idea of a person charged with a violent felony being allowed out with electronic monitoring sounds scary to some. I get that. But when it comes to crime, violent or otherwise, people too often default to visceral reactions and ignore reality.
A recent study by researchers at Loyola University Chicago found that bail reform in Cook County “had no effect on new criminal activity or crime,” a finding in line with studies of crime data from other large cities.
The percentage of Cook County defendants released prior to bail reform who were charged with a new violent criminal act: 3%.
The percentage of defendants released after bail reform who were charged with a new violent criminal act: 3%.
There was no change.
Defendants’ probability of new criminal activity prior to bail reform: 17.5%.
Defendants’ probability of new criminal activity after bail reform: 17.1%.
Again, no statistically significant change.
There have absolutely been horrible crimes committed by violent offenders released on electronic monitoring. But those crimes could have happened prior to bail reform — bail reform did not take away a judge’s ability to hold a defendant who poses a threat to the community in jail.
A statement from Cook County Chief Judge Timothy Evans’ office in response to Brown’s comment asked people to remember that bail reform “is based on the constitutional principle that people should not be punished by imprisonment before they are tried, unless they pose a significant danger to the community.”
Evans said in the statement: “Looking at individual tragic cases in isolation may contribute to the speculation that releasing individuals before trial rather than incarcerating them — whether by placing them on Electronic Monitoring (EM) or other forms of supervision — means an increase in crime. But speculation based on isolated cases is not the same as reality based on a complete picture, and research has shown that bail reform has not led to an increase in crime.”
I understand Brown’s frustration, particularly given the front-line position his officers are in each day. But a focus on the things that sound right vs. the things that are right has long hindered the real changes needed to slow Chicago’s epidemic of violence.
Following Brown’s finger-pointing, State’s Attorney Kim Foxx called out finger-pointing before pointing her own finger, writing in a tweet: “Finger-pointing instead of talking honestly about the violence plaguing our city doesn’t help bring solutions that make our communities safer. It starts with apprehending those who pull the trigger; police must make an arrest before a case reaches the courthouse door.”
As with Brown’s comment, there’s truth in part of Foxx’s tweet. But again, police are making plenty of arrests, and Foxx pointing the finger back at them isn’t helping anybody.
Completing the routine Chicago City Official Cycle of Unhelpful Responses to Violence was 9th Ward Ald. Anthony Beale calling for the National Guard to come help the city regain control of the streets. (And what happens when the soldiers leave and the violent swaths of the city remain poor, lacking in jobs and resources, and largely written off as places “you don’t go”? We all know the answer to that, alderman. Just because it sounds tough doesn’t make it helpful.)
I’ll say it for approximately the 12 millionth time: There is no one thing to blame for Chicago’s violence, nor is there one thing anyone can do that will stop the violence. To borrow from Walt Whitman, this problem is large, it contains multitudes.
People from the top to the bottom in this city need to focus on facts and work together to make a change. Anything less is a waste of time. And a waste of time in Chicago is a waste of lives.
Column: Bail reform isn’t to blame for Chicago’s violence. And finger-pointing doesn’t help.
By REX HUPPKE
CHICAGO TRIBUNE |
JUL 07, 2021 AT 3:47 PM
Chicago police Superintendent David Brown speaks to the press outside Advocate Christ Medical Center after a police officer and two federal agents were shot on the Far South Side on July 7, 2021. (Antonio Perez / Chicago Tribune)
On the heels of a grimly violent Fourth of July weekend, with more than 100 people shot and 17 killed, the last thing Chicago needs is city officials pointing fingers.
But here we are.
Police Superintendent David Brown tried to blame the hot weekend’s convulsion of violence on the Cook County court system’s bail reform, saying too many violent offenders are being released on electronic monitoring.
“Chicago police officers are doing their job by arresting people and charging them with murder,” Brown said. “That’s doing our part. And what’s happening in the courts, it’s creating this unsafe environment for all of us.”
The police are absolutely making arrests and getting guns off the streets. And it’s important to note that five law enforcement officers have been wounded in shootings in Chicago this week, including a Chicago police officer and two agents with the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives shot Wednesday morning on the South Side. Brown said 36 officers have been shot or shot at this year.
There’s no understating the danger these women and men put themselves in working to keep the city safe.
But it’s unfair, inaccurate and unhelpful for Brown to blame the courts for creating an unsafe environment, largely because there’s no data to back up his claim.
Bail reform was enacted because too many defendants — innocent until proven guilty, per the rules of our justice system — were stuck in jail awaiting their day in court simply because they didn’t have enough money. The cash bail system tends to keep poorer defendants locked up, regardless of the nature of their crimes.
Bail reform doesn’t mean every person charged with a crime gets out. Judges can still keep people they believe might be a threat to the community locked up.
The idea of a person charged with a violent felony being allowed out with electronic monitoring sounds scary to some. I get that. But when it comes to crime, violent or otherwise, people too often default to visceral reactions and ignore reality.
A recent study by researchers at Loyola University Chicago found that bail reform in Cook County “had no effect on new criminal activity or crime,” a finding in line with studies of crime data from other large cities.
The percentage of Cook County defendants released prior to bail reform who were charged with a new violent criminal act: 3%.
The percentage of defendants released after bail reform who were charged with a new violent criminal act: 3%.
There was no change.
Defendants’ probability of new criminal activity prior to bail reform: 17.5%.
Defendants’ probability of new criminal activity after bail reform: 17.1%.
Again, no statistically significant change.
There have absolutely been horrible crimes committed by violent offenders released on electronic monitoring. But those crimes could have happened prior to bail reform — bail reform did not take away a judge’s ability to hold a defendant who poses a threat to the community in jail.
A statement from Cook County Chief Judge Timothy Evans’ office in response to Brown’s comment asked people to remember that bail reform “is based on the constitutional principle that people should not be punished by imprisonment before they are tried, unless they pose a significant danger to the community.”
Evans said in the statement: “Looking at individual tragic cases in isolation may contribute to the speculation that releasing individuals before trial rather than incarcerating them — whether by placing them on Electronic Monitoring (EM) or other forms of supervision — means an increase in crime. But speculation based on isolated cases is not the same as reality based on a complete picture, and research has shown that bail reform has not led to an increase in crime.”
I understand Brown’s frustration, particularly given the front-line position his officers are in each day. But a focus on the things that sound right vs. the things that are right has long hindered the real changes needed to slow Chicago’s epidemic of violence.
Following Brown’s finger-pointing, State’s Attorney Kim Foxx called out finger-pointing before pointing her own finger, writing in a tweet: “Finger-pointing instead of talking honestly about the violence plaguing our city doesn’t help bring solutions that make our communities safer. It starts with apprehending those who pull the trigger; police must make an arrest before a case reaches the courthouse door.”
As with Brown’s comment, there’s truth in part of Foxx’s tweet. But again, police are making plenty of arrests, and Foxx pointing the finger back at them isn’t helping anybody.
Completing the routine Chicago City Official Cycle of Unhelpful Responses to Violence was 9th Ward Ald. Anthony Beale calling for the National Guard to come help the city regain control of the streets. (And what happens when the soldiers leave and the violent swaths of the city remain poor, lacking in jobs and resources, and largely written off as places “you don’t go”? We all know the answer to that, alderman. Just because it sounds tough doesn’t make it helpful.)
I’ll say it for approximately the 12 millionth time: There is no one thing to blame for Chicago’s violence, nor is there one thing anyone can do that will stop the violence. To borrow from Walt Whitman, this problem is large, it contains multitudes.
People from the top to the bottom in this city need to focus on facts and work together to make a change. Anything less is a waste of time. And a waste of time in Chicago is a waste of lives.
5thbornpowerseed
All Star
Im lost. Someone explain how this a Q foe tge community?
Column: Bail reform isn’t to blame for Chicago’s violence. And finger-pointing doesn’t help.
Column: Bail reform isn’t to blame for Chicago’s violence. And finger-pointing doesn’t help.
By REX HUPPKE
CHICAGO TRIBUNE |
JUL 07, 2021 AT 3:47 PM
Chicago police Superintendent David Brown speaks to the press outside Advocate Christ Medical Center after a police officer and two federal agents were shot on the Far South Side on July 7, 2021. (Antonio Perez / Chicago Tribune)
On the heels of a grimly violent Fourth of July weekend, with more than 100 people shot and 17 killed, the last thing Chicago needs is city officials pointing fingers.
But here we are.
Police Superintendent David Brown tried to blame the hot weekend’s convulsion of violence on the Cook County court system’s bail reform, saying too many violent offenders are being released on electronic monitoring.
“Chicago police officers are doing their job by arresting people and charging them with murder,” Brown said. “That’s doing our part. And what’s happening in the courts, it’s creating this unsafe environment for all of us.”
The police are absolutely making arrests and getting guns off the streets. And it’s important to note that five law enforcement officers have been wounded in shootings in Chicago this week, including a Chicago police officer and two agents with the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives shot Wednesday morning on the South Side. Brown said 36 officers have been shot or shot at this year.
There’s no understating the danger these women and men put themselves in working to keep the city safe.
But it’s unfair, inaccurate and unhelpful for Brown to blame the courts for creating an unsafe environment, largely because there’s no data to back up his claim.
Bail reform was enacted because too many defendants — innocent until proven guilty, per the rules of our justice system — were stuck in jail awaiting their day in court simply because they didn’t have enough money. The cash bail system tends to keep poorer defendants locked up, regardless of the nature of their crimes.
Bail reform doesn’t mean every person charged with a crime gets out. Judges can still keep people they believe might be a threat to the community locked up.
The idea of a person charged with a violent felony being allowed out with electronic monitoring sounds scary to some. I get that. But when it comes to crime, violent or otherwise, people too often default to visceral reactions and ignore reality.
A recent study by researchers at Loyola University Chicago found that bail reform in Cook County “had no effect on new criminal activity or crime,” a finding in line with studies of crime data from other large cities.
The percentage of Cook County defendants released prior to bail reform who were charged with a new violent criminal act: 3%.
The percentage of defendants released after bail reform who were charged with a new violent criminal act: 3%.
There was no change.
Defendants’ probability of new criminal activity prior to bail reform: 17.5%.
Defendants’ probability of new criminal activity after bail reform: 17.1%.
Again, no statistically significant change.
There have absolutely been horrible crimes committed by violent offenders released on electronic monitoring. But those crimes could have happened prior to bail reform — bail reform did not take away a judge’s ability to hold a defendant who poses a threat to the community in jail.
A statement from Cook County Chief Judge Timothy Evans’ office in response to Brown’s comment asked people to remember that bail reform “is based on the constitutional principle that people should not be punished by imprisonment before they are tried, unless they pose a significant danger to the community.”
Evans said in the statement: “Looking at individual tragic cases in isolation may contribute to the speculation that releasing individuals before trial rather than incarcerating them — whether by placing them on Electronic Monitoring (EM) or other forms of supervision — means an increase in crime. But speculation based on isolated cases is not the same as reality based on a complete picture, and research has shown that bail reform has not led to an increase in crime.”
I understand Brown’s frustration, particularly given the front-line position his officers are in each day. But a focus on the things that sound right vs. the things that are right has long hindered the real changes needed to slow Chicago’s epidemic of violence.
Following Brown’s finger-pointing, State’s Attorney Kim Foxx called out finger-pointing before pointing her own finger, writing in a tweet: “Finger-pointing instead of talking honestly about the violence plaguing our city doesn’t help bring solutions that make our communities safer. It starts with apprehending those who pull the trigger; police must make an arrest before a case reaches the courthouse door.”
As with Brown’s comment, there’s truth in part of Foxx’s tweet. But again, police are making plenty of arrests, and Foxx pointing the finger back at them isn’t helping anybody.
Completing the routine Chicago City Official Cycle of Unhelpful Responses to Violence was 9th Ward Ald. Anthony Beale calling for the National Guard to come help the city regain control of the streets. (And what happens when the soldiers leave and the violent swaths of the city remain poor, lacking in jobs and resources, and largely written off as places “you don’t go”? We all know the answer to that, alderman. Just because it sounds tough doesn’t make it helpful.)
I’ll say it for approximately the 12 millionth time: There is no one thing to blame for Chicago’s violence, nor is there one thing anyone can do that will stop the violence. To borrow from Walt Whitman, this problem is large, it contains multitudes.
People from the top to the bottom in this city need to focus on facts and work together to make a change. Anything less is a waste of time. And a waste of time in Chicago is a waste of lives.
All this does is reinforce that nobody knows WTF they're doing in leadership.. Black leadership at that, because a large portion of Chicago city council is black.. I suggest to those that have the means, leave the city and go far away..
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Illinois law eliminating cash bail upheld by state's high court
By Joseph AxJuly 19, 2023
Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker speaks on the day U.S. President Joe Biden delivers an economic policy speech at The Old Post Office in Chicago, Illinois, U.S., June 28, 2023. REUTERS/Leah Millis/File Photo
July 18 (Reuters) - Illinois' top court on Tuesday upheld a 2021 state law that eliminated cash bail and ordered that it take effect in September, clearing the way for the state to implement one of the most sweeping bail reforms in the nation.
The law, passed by the Democratic-controlled legislature and signed by Democratic Governor J.B. Pritzker, had been blocked after a judge found in December that it violated the state constitution.
Several other states, including New Jersey, New York and California, have taken steps to reduce the use of cash bail, in which defendants charged with certain offenses can pay money to secure their freedom until their trial begins.
Critics of cash bail say the system effectively creates a tiered justice system in which wealthy defendants remain free while poor arrestees spend months in jail.
Proponents, including many law enforcement officials, argue that bail ensures defendants show up in court and prevents dangerous criminals from returning to the streets while awaiting trial.
Prosecutors in dozens of Illinois counties filed lawsuits challenging the law, leading to the state Supreme Court's 5-2 ruling on Tuesday, reversing the lower court's decision.
"Our constitution creates a balance between the individual rights of defendants and the individual rights of crime victims," Supreme Court Justice Mary Ann Theis wrote for the majority. "The act's pretrial release provisions set forth procedures commensurate with that balance."
Under the law, judges cannot set any bail, but they can order defendants charged with certain serious crimes to be jailed until trial if prosecutors can show they either pose a danger to the public or are likely to flee the state. Judges can also set conditions, such as house arrest, for defendants.
In a statement, Pritzer said, "We can now move forward with historic reform to ensure pre-trial detainment is determined by the danger an individual poses to the community instead of by their ability to pay their way out of jail."
Reporting by Joseph Ax; Editing by Daniel Wallis
Why are you celebrating this?
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Illinois law eliminating cash bail upheld by state's high court
By Joseph Ax
July 19, 2023
Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker speaks on the day U.S. President Joe Biden delivers an economic policy speech at The Old Post Office in Chicago, Illinois, U.S., June 28, 2023. REUTERS/Leah Millis/File Photo
July 18 (Reuters) - Illinois' top court on Tuesday upheld a 2021 state law that eliminated cash bail and ordered that it take effect in September, clearing the way for the state to implement one of the most sweeping bail reforms in the nation.
The law, passed by the Democratic-controlled legislature and signed by Democratic Governor J.B. Pritzker, had been blocked after a judge found in December that it violated the state constitution.
Several other states, including New Jersey, New York and California, have taken steps to reduce the use of cash bail, in which defendants charged with certain offenses can pay money to secure their freedom until their trial begins.
Critics of cash bail say the system effectively creates a tiered justice system in which wealthy defendants remain free while poor arrestees spend months in jail.
Proponents, including many law enforcement officials, argue that bail ensures defendants show up in court and prevents dangerous criminals from returning to the streets while awaiting trial.
Prosecutors in dozens of Illinois counties filed lawsuits challenging the law, leading to the state Supreme Court's 5-2 ruling on Tuesday, reversing the lower court's decision.
"Our constitution creates a balance between the individual rights of defendants and the individual rights of crime victims," Supreme Court Justice Mary Ann Theis wrote for the majority. "The act's pretrial release provisions set forth procedures commensurate with that balance."
Under the law, judges cannot set any bail, but they can order defendants charged with certain serious crimes to be jailed until trial if prosecutors can show they either pose a danger to the public or are likely to flee the state. Judges can also set conditions, such as house arrest, for defendants.
In a statement, Pritzer said, "We can now move forward with historic reform to ensure pre-trial detainment is determined by the danger an individual poses to the community instead of by their ability to pay their way out of jail."
Reporting by Joseph Ax; Editing by Daniel Wallis
Because it's a good thing breh.
There are way more people whose lives are needlessly destroyed because of an unnecessary bail amount than there are lives that get destroyed because someone was not in jail because of a lack of bail.
Judges will have to make a decision on whether someone poses a threat. Some will try to screw people over that way but in the long run it will create a more transparent system in which people's cases will have to be judged on an individual basis.
There is no reason to uphold an unequal system in which a person's freedom depends on how much money they have access to.