Illinois Governor vetoes raise for Teachers

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

Teachers in Texas get paid relatively well compared to the rest of the country. Well some of Houston area districts. You can start off at 53K in my old district.

Amazing that some of these states still have starting salaries in the low to mid 30s range.

 

[ELESDEE616]

teachers making poverty wages on food stamps and shyt


Only in America

 

[Pressure]

I get that. My point is that the tax payer is already being taxed hard. They even tax on garbage cans now. The government isn't gonna reappropriate funding to support higher teacher pay.

But the government just voted to do that very thing. The governor vetoed without citing hard numbers nor a suitable framework in place.

Again, this is about Illinois. Not just the municipality of Chicago. It's also a step in the right direction of paying teachers a living wage.

These teachers currently make less that teachers in NC.

 

[Pressure]

yes, it is. their pensions are obviously that includes pigs, and other public pensioned employees. their pensions are DIRECTLY responsible for a significant portion of this problem

Pensions are not salary nor pay. They are government controlled and government ran, unlike your 401k or other retirement accounts. Further they are not just limited to teachers, however teachers are the ones being grossly underpaid for their important work.

But that is here nor there because that isn't the governors reason for the veto.

His words:

“However, minimum pay legislation is neither the most efficient nor the most effective way to compensate our teachers."

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" Illinois law currently lists the minimum salary for a teacher at $9,000, a level that took effect in July 1980"
But but but pensions. :Camfrancis:

 

[the cac mamba]

Pensions are not salary nor pay. They are government controlled and government ran, unlike your 401k or other retirement accounts. Further they are not just limited to teachers, however teachers are the ones being grossly underpaid for their important work.

But that is here nor there because that isn't the governors reason for the veto.

His words:



" Illinois law currently lists the minimum salary for a teacher at $9,000, a level that took effect in July 1980"
But but but pensions. :Camfrancis:

it's almost like pensions...are calculated by what an employee makes

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ebauer...hasnt-solved-its-pension-crisis/#17eb61c76a86

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The state’s unfunded pension liability is growing faster than taxpayers’ ability to keep up. With about a quarter of general fund revenues going to the pension system, other priorities get crowded out.

No matter how we got there, today’s pension crisis isn’t a funding problem. It’s a benefits problem. To borrow one of Rauner’s preferred adjectives, the shortfall — and lawmakers’ reluctance to seek solutions — is “outrageous.”

The Democrats know all of this. They just don’t want to offend their union buddies.

 

[Pressure]

it's almost like pensions...are calculated by what an employee makes

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ebauer...hasnt-solved-its-pension-crisis/#17eb61c76a86

Teachers pension salaries are lower than police and fire.

80k vs 73k vs 71k.

One of the largest reasons for the pensions funds being where they are is a result COLA adjustments.

There's no way you're going to solve the pensions problem, the inability to attract and retain talent, and having teachers having a living wage without substantially increasing salary.

Let's compromise,

Pay teachers 60-100k and allow them to contribute to their own retirements.

I'm sure the unions will sign off since they signed off on this.

 

[the cac mamba]

Teachers pension salaries are lower than police and fire.

80k vs 73k vs 71k.

One of the largest reasons for the pensions funds being where they are is a result COLA adjustments.

There's no way you're going to solve the pensions problem, the inability to attract and retain talent, and having teachers having a living wage without substantially increasing salary.

Let's compromise,

Pay teachers 60-100k and allow them to contribute to their own retirements.

I'm sure the unions will sign off since they signed off on this.

im a firm advocate of RAISING teacher pay to offset pension cuts but pensions clearly do not work in illinois, and they're a disaster that needs to be addressed

according to the democrats, anyone who works for the government has a god given right to a pension. i don't agree with that when they cannot pay for it. when pension plans are done right, i have no issue with it

CT, IL, NYC?

 

[levitate]

Damn, they not even making $40k???

How can educators feel motivated to go to work and teach if they can barely make ends meet???

 

[Pressure]

im a firm advocate of RAISING teacher pay to offset pension cuts but pensions clearly do not work in illinois, and they're a disaster that needs to be addressed

according to the democrats, anyone who works for the government has a god given right to a pension. i don't agree with that when they cannot pay for it. when pension plans are done right, i have no issue with it

CT, IL, NYC?

These teachers don't receive ss benefits.

This will also have to be reconciled with any program removing their pension as that is a part of the trade off.

But ultimately the issue isn't the pension prima facie. It's what teachers were promised and pensioned being used as slush funds.

None of that is the fault of the union.

 

[DEAD7]

When they stop overcrowding schools, start fully funding schools, and stop forcing teachers to teach to the test, then we can see about your suggestion.

A merit based system would help get public support.
The “they aren’t doing shyt, but fukking students” crowd is larger than you think.
Teachers need better pr because without public support they are fukked.

At least increase the barriers to entry...

 

[DEAD7]

And obligatory @ public sector unions.

 

[the cac mamba]

These teachers don't receive ss benefits.

This will also have to be reconciled with any program removing their pension as that is a part of the trade off.

But ultimately the issue isn't the pension prima facie. It's what teachers were promised and pensioned being used as slush funds.

None of that is the fault of the union.

now that's what i call accountability :jaymelo:

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

that figure is misleading. definitely not the average anywhere near chicago. more so an issue for downstate region.

imo the union's share of responsibility for the current crisis lies moreso with the bloated bureaucracy. the number of "administrators" in many of these districts making 100K, doing "work" that could be done with 1/5th the number of employees would shock you.

 

[Jesus H. Christ]

What piece of slime shyt.

 

[Th3G3ntleman]

And obligatory @ public sector unions.

Still waiting for the day you post something that doesn't end up with me looking like this in real life.