Im about to interview a breh who is asking for 120k a year salary

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Hmmm I see the side of your argument....And I can see how that might play out for some companies.

But let me offer a counterargument. When you have something perceived as valuable to offer people generally do not look or manufacture reasons to exclude you from hiring.

And if you work for a company and you deliver exemplary work they will (or at least SHOULD) also make efforts to keep you there

Companies should know that they increasingly have to fight to keep their talent and they sure as hell have no problems brazenly poaching talent.

The idea that hiring somebody who has a fantastic skillset but might leave is a risk or waste of money is shaky logic....(I do acknowledge that shaky logic exists in the world though)

I err on the side of going after great opportunities rather than a track record of loyalty...

The thing is if you are prudent about the opportunities you are chasing you likely would have spent enough time at one of these places to deliver something tangible....

Basically this, couldn't have said it better, especially the bolded
 

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Hmmm I see the side of your argument....And I can see how that might play out for some companies.

But let me offer a counterargument. When you have something perceived as valuable to offer people generally do not look or manufacture reasons to exclude you from hiring.

And if you work for a company and you deliver exemplary work they will (or at least SHOULD) also make efforts to keep you there

Companies should know that they increasingly have to fight to keep their talent and they sure as hell have no problems brazenly poaching talent.

The idea that hiring somebody who has a fantastic skillset but might leave is a risk or waste of money is shaky logic....(I do acknowledge that shaky logic exists in the world though)

I err on the side of going after great opportunities rather than a track record of loyalty...

The thing is if you are prudent about the opportunities you are chasing you likely would have spent enough time at one of these places to deliver something tangible....

What city are you in? Because in a Highly competitive market, nobody is wasting time interviewing someone who bounces around. There are 2 instances where people dont care and that is Contractor roles and Start Up Companies. And then we also have to look at Infrastructure vs Software Development. That job hop stuff aint flying in Software development. Infrastructure isn't Complex at the end of the day they just need someone to do something when it happens, Software Development is a different beast. In Software Development 6 months can role out 1 product, so if you were there for a year you cant really give examples of supporting something for an Entire Life Cycle and have even been around to know everything worked smoothly in production. At the end of the day y'all do what y'all want with your careers and people can listen to who they want to.
 

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So if you're 1 year into your job, and something opens up offering 40k more, are you going to stay in your current position to show "loyalty":jbhmm:
Expound on how it hurt you in the long run?:jbhmm:
Had you stayed for 2 years+, what would be the difference now? Where would you be? :jbhmm:
When you jumped around did you not gain different skillsets? :jbhmm:
Were you jumping around to the same position at different companies?:jbhmm:
Are managers literally not hiring you because you didn't stay for 2 years?:jbhmm:



Managers are looking for people who can do the job. Loyalty is a plus but that's a 1 way street. You can always be replaced no matter how "loyal" you are to a company. Being loyal to a company benefits the company, not you. Thats why its good to diversify your skillset, which is something almost every engineer I know has done. You guys are grossly overplaying this loyalty angle.

In fact, do me a favor and walk around your office today and find me a single IT engineer who has not worked in different IT fields.

Find me a Network Engineer who has not written GPO ADMX files and pushed them
Find me a Storage Engineer who has not configured a load balancer
Find me a Systems Engineer who has not has not managed a SAN
Find me a Security Engineer who has not configured the DNS on a domain controller

Show me those engineers and I'll show you people who need to widen their skillset to the other branches. :francis:

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There is so much overlap in IT Engineering. If you have never branched out and expanded your skillset, that's a negative not a positive.

Its like a Dev who only knows 1 language :mjlol:


But i'll let ya'll cook, stay loyal brehs:salute:


sorry "breh" you don't know what the fukk you're talking about. this is why older people hate young people like I assume you are. DOn't know what you're talking about then are going to tell someone more experienced then you how people in HIS position think.

then you go off on a tangent talking about widening your skillsets which has nothing to do with anything . No, Imma like you cook ...cuz you cooking to get your ass in the unemployment line.
 

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sorry "breh" you don't know what the fukk you're talking about. this is why older people hate young people like I assume you are. DOn't know what you're talking about then are going to tell someone more experienced then you how people in HIS position think.

then you go off on a tangent talking about widening your skillsets which has nothing to do with anything . No, Imma like you cook ...cuz you cooking to get your ass in the unemployment line.

Lol main reason im not tryna argue with cats.
 

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Threads like this is why I strive to build my business up. fukk the feelings of MANAGEMENT and these crabs.....shyt is a fukking travesty. Who says he ISN'T worth the 120k? You? fukk you! Would neg but I don't give a fukk about this site anymore really
 

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Alright, alright

So I get emailed that he made it in to the office and he is in the conference room. I grab my laptop and head down.....

I get to the room and open it up..breh is sitting down with his hands on his knees.....he stands up....I say "Hey I'm Surfer....how's it going" as I reach to shake his hand


Door closes behind me........I notice his handshake grip was not firm:huhldup:

He is already scared.....interview begins
 

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We go through the normal pleasantries...I ask where he from...why did he choose IT...what is he doing at his current job,..... blah, blah

Then went straight to it....

I asked from 1-10 how proficient in Java he is 1 being a novice, 10 being a guru ....he said 7:jawalrus:

I said "thats impressive...you familar with the new stuff in Java 8?"..he said "some of it...I then said....."Would you mind showing me how to iterate over a hashmap using Java 7 and how you would using Java 8 api"?

He started talking...I said "you can do it on the board "

He got up started mumbling to himself and looking at the floor before he actually started writing:patrice:.....
 

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Before he started writing...he looked to me saying "you mean like a vector?:dwillhuh:"

I said "whatever a hashmap is to you:sas2:"

He said ok, ok and started doodling

He then wrote something like

for (i=o,i<=10,i++)
{
i;
}

He looked at me....I said "is I the hashmap?"

He said yeah with with a shocked looked:dame:

I said "ok":wow:

So he revealed himself:snoop:.....at this point I knew the tech part of the interview was out of the question
 

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I then went to a situation question.

I said "if a business partner has a requirement for you to retrieve lets say 1 million rows from a DB table and display that on a UI. How would you efficiently retrieve those rows and bring them back to the browser without it crashing?:steviej:

*There are a few ways this can be achieved...I just wanted him to talk through it to see where his head is at

I said "you can do your design on the whiteboard":sas1:
 
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