Im about to interview a breh who is asking for 120k a year salary

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I’ve been an architect but a lot companies got rid of the architect role, (my last and current companies did, and I know Netflix doesn’t have architects either). I’m a 12 year vet. My last job I was a Software Architect, my current role I’m a Senior Engineer. I get paid more in my Senior Engineer role and I’m basically doin the same shyt. So the architect label doesn’t mean shyt these days.

My 150k number is based on my 127k based salary with my yearly bonus that is 10%-20% of my salary. So at least I’ll get 150k, could be 160k+.

I have no reason to lie...
Thats context my guy. You an old azz nikka who makes 127 which is great. Like you said you have mad experience and you are an architect if youve done it before. As a developer you really gotta boss up to get paid like directors and shyt from my experience. Youve pretty much bossed up so you are not the norm. Im an RTE/Program Manager by the way.
 

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Thats context my guy. You an old azz nikka who makes 127 which is great. Like you said you have mad experience and you are an architect if youve done it before. As a developer you really gotta boss up to get paid like directors and shyt from my experience. Youve pretty much bossed up so you are not the norm. Im an RTE/Program Manager by the way.

why would you think a developer would make bread like a director over developers?:what:
 

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Same here. Those be same type of people to reinvent the wheel.
Breh, exactly. These guys need to think about it from the perspective of someone running a business. You have to make tradeoffs. A framework may be more overhead, but it helps the whole team to speak a common language. It helps with hiring, because if a person knows the framework you know they can hit the ground running or be changed out with someone else relatively easily. It cuts down on boilerplate and reinventing the wheel. It helps with problem solving because millions of developers have already tackled the problem you're facing. For the vast majority of applications where high performance isnt crucial, a framework as robust as spring is fine. And even then, high performance stuff can be done from within it. There is a reason the shyt is ubiquitous in the industry. (Not saying there are no issues with it, obviously.)

Got management looking at them like :martin:
 

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Breh, exactly. These guys need to think about it from the perspective of someone running a business. You have to make tradeoffs. A framework may be more overhead, but it helps the whole team to speak a common language. It helps with hiring, because if a person knows the framework you know they can hit the ground running or be changed out with someone else relatively easily. It cuts down on boilerplate and reinventing the wheel. It helps with problem solving because millions of developers have already tackled the problem you're facing. For the vast majority of applications where high performance isnt crucial, a framework as robust as spring is fine. And even then, high performance stuff can be done from within it. There is a reason the shyt is ubiquitous in the industry. (Not saying there are no issues with it, obviously.)

Got management looking at them like :martin:

Lol devs always think they are the smartest in the room but typically on their on make decisions that would put a company out of business. This is why you need Product guys lol
 

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Lol devs always think they are the smartest in the room but typically on their on make decisions that would put a company out of business. This is why you need Product guys lol
We really need to do some self reflection sometimes, I agree.
 

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We really need to do some self reflection sometimes, I agree.

At my last company I worked with an architect who was arrogant as hell talking about how easy all this stuff with yet every project he was on was always on fire lol. He used to talk to his devs like trash but they were all contractors. I used to always try to hold in my laugh when he would he would go on his rants
 

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Lol devs always think they are the smartest in the room but typically on their on make decisions that would put a company out of business. This is why you need Product guys lol

But devs are traditionally smarter...I can do what a product person can do...they cant do what I can do
 

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Breh, exactly. These guys need to think about it from the perspective of someone running a business. You have to make tradeoffs. A framework may be more overhead, but it helps the whole team to speak a common language. It helps with hiring, because if a person knows the framework you know they can hit the ground running or be changed out with someone else relatively easily. It cuts down on boilerplate and reinventing the wheel. It helps with problem solving because millions of developers have already tackled the problem you're facing. For the vast majority of applications where high performance isnt crucial, a framework as robust as spring is fine. And even then, high performance stuff can be done from within it. There is a reason the shyt is ubiquitous in the industry. (Not saying there are no issues with it, obviously.)

Got management looking at them like :martin:

Yall dont even know what to argue about.....

You trying to argue the merits of a framework when there are pros and cons to it.

There is a reason that CORE java is taught and object oriented principles are taught....

So you are framework agnostic.....

If you live in the world of microservices and being told to write efficient code....how can you argue efficiency when the overhead you introduced can be achieved without it?
 

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But devs are traditionally smarter...I can do what a product person can do...they cant do what I can do

Smart is subjective to the end goal lol. The simple fact you make this statement says everything.

All because you cam code a solution doesnt mean you are delivering value to the organization or customer.

It’s not a subject worth arguing though because you are wired to think how you do (which is why product organizations will continue to provide the strategic guidance).
 

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Yall dont even know what to argue about.....

You trying to argue the merits of a framework when there are pros and cons to it.

There is a reason that CORE java is taught and object oriented principles are taught....

So you are framework agnostic.....

If you live in the world of microservices and being told to write efficient code....how can you argue efficiency when the overhead you introduced can be achieved without it?
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We are literally saying the same thing.
Why are you intentionally misinterpreting what I am saying? Or is it unintentional? Wtf
 

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Smart is subjective to the end goal lol. The simple fact you make this statement says everything.

All because you cam code a solution doesnt mean you are delivering value to the organization or customer.

It’s not a subject worth arguing though because you are wired to think how you do (which is why product organizations will continue to provide the strategic guidance).

You are trained to do product work...I'm trained to do engineering work.

The level and expertise of product work bar is lower than that of an engineer....especially one that is responsible for multiple systems and people

You do research and play as middle man to IT and the business

You dont know the complexities of what it take for engineering....this is why I tell you if something can be built or not....

That's the same reason why I could potentially bullshyt you and you would repeat that to business
 
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