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[KENNY DA COOKER]

When the last time you been to St Kitts? Last time I was there, I met a NY girl there who is also halfSt Kitts half AA. Her father is from there. Some locals were selling land when I went and ALOT of yt vacationers were shopping.

4 years ago to check on my grandmother's land

Was supposed to go this year but my ex kept dragging her feet as far as getting her passport

 

[Phitz]

you know the prices?

I didn't hear them talking about price, I didn't ask out in the open like that.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

@IllmaticDelta listening to him say Bambatta didn't make the name "Hip Hop", at least make it popular. makes me wonder what the hell did Bambatta do to get the claim as the founder of it?

Bam didn't pioneer anything musically or dance wise but founded Zulu Nation which began as nothing more than young spades/baby black spades that ran with Disco King Mario





Zulu Nation were the first ones to take hiphop culture and cross it with/into the white "art" scene and punk rockers




Baam admits he got the term HipHop from Luv Bug Starski

I don't know why, but I just now thought about this shyt, what the hell did he do? I understand Herc, I understand Flash, but Bam? This nikka is a piece of work. I'm hearing he lied about going to Stevenson, and getting a trip to Africa from them. We now know he was full of shyt with the "peace" shyt, he was on some sex fiend shyt, and had killers keep people quiet. I think he is the greatest finesser of hip hop history, because he has us arguing on shyt he started teaching, at least made widely known, and his underling Krs-One, who I still respect somewhat.

The topic also reminds me of 1996/97 when hip hop separated, and you had the "party" version, and the "backpack" version, Before that it was the mainstream vs the underground. Its all because of how shyt started, life is wild!

it pretty much is..Melle Mel was talking about Disco rappers right here

I was sittin' on the corner just a-wastin' my time
When I realised I was the king of the rhyme
I got on the microphone and what do you see?
Huh, the rest was my legacy
I was born to be the king of the be-bop swing
To have stallions and medallions, big diamond rings
I own a castle and a yacht, two million in gold
Because rap is the game that I control
I'm like Shakespeare, I'm a pioneer
Because I made rap somethin' people wanted to hear
See, before my reign, it was the same old same
"To the bop with the bop", that street-talk game
So if you ever, let me make this clear





same thing happened in the Busy B vs Kool Moe Dee battle



people like Busy B, Doug E Fresh, Luv Bug Starski etc...all come from that Dj Hollywood lineage.







kool moe d vs busy bee represented the changing of the guard from Disco rap (OG Rap) to the Melle Mel/Caz style (it's more technical descendant)



compare Busy B's style to Caz

 

[kingofnyc]

dude, I answered you before when you posted that video. As I said before, what came to be hiphop was an out growth of what the non-gay overground BLACK disco Dj's were doing

first dj's with 2 turntables and a mixer = disco djs (hiphop identified dj's followed this and copied)











first dj's with full blown rhymes over breaks = disco dj's (hiphop identified dj's followed this and copied)

to some that all up,

the entire musical side from the breaks to the rapping was pioneered by these disco dj's.

What cholly rock is talking about is that the disco dj's didn't IDENTIFY with the term hiphop and they HATED when bboys would go DOWN ON THE FLOOR at their club parties. What cholly rock didn't mention is that early bboy burning/top rock was performed at those black overground disco joints

early hiphop dance/bboys crews predate herc by his own admission! They were to be found at disco-parties before the phrase "HIPHOP" was coined They just weren't called bboys

Herc:




Red Bull Music Academy Daily



herc himself basically gives it away/admits to it when he says he was a bboy in the early 70s even before he started djing

people who were there swear that they saw early bboys at Grand Master Flowers parties




Brooklyn Music: BrooklynBio: The Mystery of Grandmaster Flowers

and



Old School Hip Hop Interviews - DJ Plummer | OldSchoolHipHop.Com


another so called "disco" dj

DJ Reggie Wells


(standing with Kool Herc)






^^exactly what hiphop sprung from. In that clip you hear hustle disco breaks, hard core funk breaks and the mc'ing

@kingofnyc


this right here is a perfect example of the juelzing being done by people were were from the younger segment who try to make a false distinction between "disco djs" who fathered the rapping style we know today and the so-called early hiphop dj's who HAD NO RAPPERS



cholly rock flat out says luv bug starksi and dj hollywood were pioneers of the rapping (he even points out that there were no rappers in the early hiphop scene) but then says they weren't hiphop but instead, Disco


luv bug was a disciple of DJ Hollywood






hollywood





he addresses the point Im getting at in this video below ("they took my game, changed the name and now all of a sudden Im not part of the thing I created?")



...now, here are quotes from people who considered themselves to be from the HIPHOP crowd as opposed to the DISCO crowd and their thoughts on Hollywood an where rapping started



KID CREOLE from Furious 5 (melle mel's brother)





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FUNKY 4 + 1



FUNKY 4 / DOUBLE TROUBLE



Caz:

"Dj Hollywood was the blueprint for the syncopated (rapping) style"




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Zulu Nation Says DJ Kool Herc Did Not Start Hip Hop And Is Misrepresenting The Culture



Zulu Nation Says DJ Kool Herc Did Not Start Hip Hop And Is Misrepresenting The Culture


interesting post from Rahiem of Grandmaster Flash & The Furious 5, who came up in the Herc scene..




Now here is his take on how rapping started...

"Dancers that did a dance called the B-boying or that danced to Boioing music came directly from Kool Herc parties. Kool Herc's emcees didn't rhyme to the beat but they said catchy phrases that were adopted by emcees who expounded on what they were doing after Herc's emcees and then when emcees heard DJ Hollywood is when they began rhyming to the beat!"


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the whole disco vs hiphop thing is really based on class/image projected

so-called disco people = get fly cats

so-called hiphop people = broke dusty cats




DJ AJ (was a promoter who then became a dj) on the Disco vs early HipHop dynamic




so basically, so the line of demarcation between hiphop and this subset of rapping disco dj's was the style of dress, age, attitude and class, more than the music. The music was basically the same source material

you and @truth2you are getting this very confused
it doesn’t matter that somebody else had 2 turn tables 1st
or had a mixer 1st
or started rapping/talking over the song being played 1st etc. etc.

hip-hop origins began with the break beat; and that was done by you know who !!!

stop this foolishness

 

[get these nets]

ST. KITTS!!!!

Who is the SECOND most famous St. Kittian-American?

First would have to be Cicely Tyson.

 

[get these nets]

you and @truth2you are getting this very confused
it doesn’t matter that somebody else had 2 turn tables 1st
or had a mixer 1st
or started rapping/talking over the song being played 1st etc. etc.

hip-hop origins began with the break beat; and that was done by you know who !!!

stop this foolishness

but if I was on it like that I would come through Queens, with Queens people

Spoiler

yes, the man who made a TRIBUTE song to the hiphop dj pioneers of HIS hood, says that EVERYBODY knows that hip hop started in the Bronx

Spoiler: favorite dj's favorite dj

a radio and production pioneer in his own right, who produced the TRIBUTE song about the pioneer hip hop djs of HIS hood, said that Breakout was his inspiration to become a dj.

Spoiler: Kings from Queens

2 members of the GOAT hip hop group pay homage to the pioneers who inspired them

The legendary hip hop figures out of Queens and Brooklyn, who emerged once the music was on wax usually cite the earlier Bronx DJs and rappers as their inspiration. It's rare that they mention the Queens and Brooklyn DJs who are the alleged "true fathers of hip hop". This supports what Cholly Rock said. Those guys were djs, but they were catering to adult patrons of disco clubs, not to the youth crowd and not to the b-boys.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

you and @truth2you are getting this very confused
it doesn’t matter that somebody else had 2 turn tables 1st
or had a mixer 1st
or started rapping/talking over the song being played 1st etc. etc.

what? Those things are what made hiphop distinct. If there were no rappers early hiphop would have still been seen as Disco

hip-hop origins began with the break beat; and that was done by you know who !!!

did you not read/look at anything I posted? All of those breaks were first played by Disco DJ's as a regular part of their set's. Disco dj's were the first ones that focused on the break part(s) of the record

this was one of the reason disco dj's would have 2 copies of the same record for manipulation

it's what pete dj jones is describing that all the disco dj's knew as the "jump part"



it's a lie that herc was the first one to discover the "break". Disco djs were doing that going back to the late 60's with multi-turntable setups, as Nicky Siano explains below




Flash himself say's that Pete Dj Jones (a so called disco dj.....and as i stated before, the disco dj's layed the prototype for the hiphop quick mix style) was playing breaks with seamless mixing (looping)

stop this foolishness

step up your comprehension

 

[IllmaticDelta]

but if I was on it like that I would come through Queens, with Queens people



The legendary hip hop figures out of Queens and Brooklyn, who emerged once the music was on wax usually cite the earlier Bronx DJs and rappers as their inspiration. It's rare that they mention the Queens and Brooklyn DJs who are the alleged "true fathers of hip hop".

most of the earliest hiphop guys credit bronx and harlem for early hiphop

This supports what Cholly Rock said. Those guys were djs, but they were catering to adult patrons of disco clubs, not to the youth crowd and not to the b-boys.

bronx guys giving queens their props.









Queens and Brooklyn dj's (bronx dj's too) played both inside (adults) and outside (everybody-teens-kids)

 

[truth2you]

@IllmaticDelta You know you are teaching other people, because those two guys are just heard headed. After all this shyt you posted and they still say the same shyt, that shows you they are just lost. I don't feel like arguing with fools all the time, I don't know how you do it!

"Get these nets" went back & forth with me on Jamaican Sound systems, and his own links said the opposite of what he said, but he still stayed with his original argument, then had other fools dapping him when the links proved him wrong. Some people are just gone, and its nothing you can do about it, they live in their own little world

 

[FocusedDaily]

There aren't pure ADOS?

I was helping with a geneology project, and i haven't come across a single African Americans profile that didn't a have at least 10% admixture yet.

It's corny and decisive, and I try to avoid these threads because of it.

 

[truth2you]

I was helping with a geneology project, and i haven't come across a single African Americans profile that didn't a have at least 10% admixture yet.

It's corny and decisive, and I try to avoid these threads because of it.

My man, you didn't get the point

How can you not have pure ADOS?

ADOS means "American descendant of Slavery", its not about genetics!

It's about lineage!

 

[truth2you]

@IllmaticDelta Him describing looping a break on 45 is just showing more proof the story of hip hop is just a fairy tale. I don't understand why not just tell the truth, and still let hip hop be great?

These "pioneers" were really all about themselves. It's sad it took all these years, and the internet, for the truth to be shown. That means all these hip hop publications didn't try to let the truth be known, because facts are facts, they don't just appear out of no where.

This video is just more proof that what some called disco was jsut black music that had the funk to it. Hip hop older heads know this because they were there. so how can they just lie, and keep acting like it was so different in the early 70's? These old heads aint shyt like the young heads, and is the reason why its always been an age riff in hip hop. If we make something great again, I hope the truth is told from the beginning!

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I was helping with a geneology project, and i haven't come across a single African Americans profile that didn't a have at least 10% admixture yet.

It's corny and decisive, and I try to avoid these threads because of it.

Pure "ADOS" doesn't mean "pure african". It means that they descend from MAINLAND USA slaves.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

@IllmaticDelta Him describing looping a break on 45 is just showing more proof the story of hip hop is just a fairy tale. I don't understand why not just tell the truth, and still let hip hop be great?

...because these dues have been getting fame off of myths at least 30 years and people with no knowledge of what was going down in the Disco world that lead to the birth of HipHop, don't know any better.

These "pioneers" were really all about themselves. It's sad it took all these years, and the internet, for the truth to be shown. That means all these hip hop publications didn't try to let the truth be known, because facts are facts, they don't just appear out of no where.

you can sport kernels of the real truth even in articles that were written in the 80s on hiphop history but they would also be filled with lies, such as Coke La Roc (who is carolinian) bringing toasting from Jamaica which became rapping

This video is just more proof that what some called disco was jsut black music that had the funk to it. Hip hop older heads know this because they were there. so how can they just lie, and keep acting like it was so different in the early 70's?

fact's because many people don't realize that Disco was just danceable R&B/Soul/Funk (same source all the breakbeats came from) but many people when they hear the term "Disco", they automatically picture that Studio 54 image




when in reality

AllHipHop.com: So in Founding Fathers y’all covered
pioneering DJs from Queens & Brooklyn, anywhere else?

Hasan: No. Honestly when me
and Ron talked about doing this, we were just really doing the Queens
theme. But after we talked to these guys, they told us about people that were
in the circle of DJs, and that’s how we ended up going to Brooklyn. And then we
ended up going to the Bronx because you know we got Pete DJ Jones, he’s from
the Bronx.

The story is not just we’re saying that Hip-Hop didn’t start in the Bronx, we’re
just saying it pre-dates the 1974 ‘cause Pete DJ Jones, this guys in his 60s
and he was playing music in the Bronx in the late ’60s.

Amen-Ra: This is where it gets
separated because you got cats like [DJ] Hollywood who we got as well. But the
problem with that is it’s kind of separated because they kind of start with Kool Herc and they leave out the
cats before them because they try to say,

“These cats were Disco DJs, so we’re gonna start with Kool Herc,” you
know what I mean? So what that does is kind of exed those guys out. It kind of ex’s out Hollywood’s legacy as well.
If you look back, the Disco didn’t even exist, it was just all about playing what
was hot. A lot of these cats were digging in the crates, they were finding the jewels. That became a major
problem because none of that stuff existed. I mean the word “Hip-Hop”
didn’t even exist at that time. It was just that whatever they thought was hot,
when they heard the break part of a record, that’s just what was going on.
Everybody had two turntables and a mixer, they was doing they thing.

AllHipHop.com: No pun intended, but
would you say that is when the break happens? Because from what I’ve read and
speaking to people names like DJ Jones and Hollywood get mentioned as “precursors”
but that it was Herc, Bambaataa and Flash that were heavy into the breakbeats.

Amen-Ra: Well they got it from them!

Hasan: Let me answer this one. Like Ron said
we’re talking before the Disco era. There was no word for Disco, that word
wasn’t even invented yet. And these guys started playing music even before the
mixer was invented. So they had to learn to go record to record, and you’re
talking about playing with 45s. So they had to extend the records. So they were
playing the intros, the 4-bars or whatever, the little break part—they was doing that.

All the records that Herc, Flash and all these guys were
using, those records weren’t “Hip-Hop” records. You’re talking about from Jazz,
to Rock, or to whatever. And then people put a title on it. “Mardi Gras” [Bob
James “Take Me to the Mardi Gras”] is probably one of the biggest break beats, that’s a Jazz record. So who determined that was a Hip-Hop record? That title came later, that title came in the ’80s.

Amen-Ra: And even after the Disco era
came in, I mean I don’t know why these guys are ashamed of the Disco era, but
Hip-Hop had such an impact before it was even Hip-Hop. Disco had such an impact
on that scene that 90 percent of those break beats, were Disco records. You
know what I’m saying. I mean I can go down a list. I mean there’s “Frisco Disco”, there’s “I Can’t Stop,” the “Freedom” record which Flash and em’ put out, then you had “Good Times” [Chic] which was “Rapper’s Delight”, you had “8thWonder.” I mean all those records, that was the time.

Flash’s right hand man was Disco (Beat), they partied at the Disco Fever you know. Kurtis Blow says “Rapping
to the Disco beat!” on “Super Rappin’,” which was part of the “Good Times” Disco record.

Hasan: You had the Crash Crew in Harlem, Disco Dave…

Amen-Ra: Disco Dave and Disco Mike.

Everything was Disco this, Disco that. They tried to separate it like it didn’t
exist. And you can’t do that because that was a sign of that times.

Hasan: Just like back in the day, before it
was named Hip-Hop, it started from something, it morphed into something else,
but it had its seed somewhere. You know someone didn’t come out of no where and
just start saying “Oh I’m gonna start cuttin’ and scratchin’.”

Founding Fathers: Before The Bronx - AllHipHop.com

These old heads aint shyt like the young heads, and is the reason why its always been an age riff in hip hop. If we make something great again, I hope the truth is told from the beginning!

it will be easier to document in real time, today