I'm HALF A.D.O.S ....AMA (ask me anything)

[xoxodede]

my pops parents were from Alabama

Just west of Birmingham to be exact...

Grandma came to NYC during the 40s around the time of world war 2

pretty much the whole family came up to NYC...I came to the south in the mid 90s to go to College.....

And both of my properties sits near former slave plantations

I'm actually 20 minutes from the dock where the largest slave ship in Georgia entered

My family - both sides are from Bama too. Henry County and Bullock County.

Where's the dock - Savannah? Jekyll Island?

That's great - in terms of your properties are they rental homes? When purchasing - did you have any issues acquiring the land/home - I only ask cause lots of land is generationally owned - and some find it hard to buy certain plots/properties - especially those near plantations.

If you have Black tenants do they ever make comments about being so close to plantations?

Our rental homes in Alabama - are family properties - and thankfully they are not on the same street or area of any plantations homes.

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

This is a fake online war

Folks in real life don't care like that

My points exactly...these mofos ain't got no life....

@Gmoney is clearly an introvert with way too much time on his hands

Just like that other lil n1gga nerd @IllmaticDelta who never experience or interact with real people off the net

We all BLACK.....wherlther you from South Central LA or Mandeville JA

ONE BLOOD!!!!!

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And on that note I bid u all GOOD NITE

ITS DINNER TIME

 

[xoxodede]

My points exactly...these mofos ain't got no life....

@Gmoney is clearly an introvert with way too much time on his hands

Just like that other lil n1gga nerd @IllmaticDelta who never experience or interact with real people off the net

We all BLACK.....wherlther you from South Central LA or Mandeville JA

ONE BLOOD!!!!!

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Actually, there isn't a war.

And we are all Black in terms of race -- but we all have different ethnicities, lineages and experiences - those who support ADOS are simply proudly claiming theirs.
Being a descendant of the enslaved in the U.S. is indeed different than being a DOS of Caribbean or anywhere else who emigrated to the U.S. It is what it is.

It's really not a big deal. People make it one - and it really doesn't have to be.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Just like that other lil n1gga nerd @IllmaticDelta who never experience or interact with real people off the net

stick to false flagging/claiming other people's shyt. I know St Kitt's hasn't produced anything of note but show some pride in your own people

 

[Piff Perkins]

If you could ask Al Haymon one question what would it be?

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

If you could ask Al Haymon one question what would it be?

I'd ask Mr. Haymon...

Does he feel HBO having to get out the Boxing Business was sweet KARMA for all the years they attacked you and called you the Devil or do you feel some remorse and would like HBO to resurrect from the dead and eventually do business with them again?

 

[hustlemania]

Sure ......its the Southeast Chapter #357

Headed by P

Jerimiah Hezikiah Albright the III

And Sista Earnestine Sharkesha Washington

Located at
3349 M.L.K. Jr Dr SW, Atlanta, GA

yo..

 

[AFRAM GLORY]

5 east caribbean dollar ADOS

....

 

[kingofnyc]

Here we go with this same old argument that is told so some can keep their fame. I used to believe it as well UNTIL I actually did the research myself, and saw how some took the truth of what you said, and ran with it so they can get fame without giving props where it was due

There was no such thing as disco dj's who looked down on hip hop because it had no name back then. What you mean to say is they didn't want the LITTLE street teenagers dancing on the floor at their parties, and coming in wearing street clothes. THAT IS ALL IT WAS!

The dj's both played the same shyt in the beginning. Again, what herc did was focus on breaks, and he pushed the culture forward, BUT he didn't create it, that is the part yall are not getting. Using two turntables, having an mc, playing songs that had the funk, and not just radio songs, all began before herc. In fact Herc said he went to the parties, and watched the dj's do their thing so he wanted to do it. That means he didn't invent anything, he just gave his part. Herc didn't invent hip hop dress code, the street kids did, and you know why they got fly? To get in the nightclubs that the "disco dj's" played at, and to look like the older guys who went to those clubs, and who made money!

Hip hop was not invented by two people on a certain date. You got to be the biggest fool to believe that. Herc himself said he didn't start playing breaks until about year later AFTER 1973. These guys are not that honest once you do actual research, and catch them in their lies! Thank you @IllmaticDelta for making me catch that lie, because I always thought the first party claim was the day he played breaks. You showed me how that was a lie as well using the words of the people who were there! You mad me see what I experienced myself, hip hop is just a tool for foul nikkas to eat. The people who truly love it are not really seen. It reminds me of the fight hip hop had since the beginning. A fight between the frauds, and the authentic. I can say the frauds won, but us real lovers are still here helping spread the truth on its history.

@ThatTruth777 @IllmaticDelta

Listen - it dose not make sense to argue with conspiracy theorist .... u just gotta let people whom believe the moon landing was a fake : eat

with that said its a goddamn shame that they’re people that wanna strip and re write history to the founding fathers of the culture

the last time i posted this vid
NONE of yall nonbelievers attempted to address this & i assume the same will happen again

 

[IllmaticDelta]

@ThatTruth777 @IllmaticDelta

Listen - it dose not make sense to argue with conspiracy theorist .... u just gotta let people whom believe the moon landing was a fake : eat

with that said its a goddamn shame that they’re people that wanna strip and re write history to the founding fathers of the culture

the last time i posted this vid
NONE of yall nonbelievers attempted to address this & i assume the same will happen again

dude, I answered you before when you posted that video. As I said before, what came to be hiphop was an out growth of what the non-gay overground BLACK disco Dj's were doing

first dj's with 2 turntables and a mixer = disco djs (hiphop identified dj's followed this and copied)











first dj's with full blown rhymes over breaks = disco dj's (hiphop identified dj's followed this and copied)

to some that all up,

the entire musical side from the breaks to the rapping was pioneered by these disco dj's.

What cholly rock is talking about is that the disco dj's didn't IDENTIFY with the term hiphop and they HATED when bboys would go DOWN ON THE FLOOR at their club parties. What cholly rock didn't mention is that early bboy burning/top rock was performed at those black overground disco joints

early hiphop dance/bboys crews predate herc by his own admission! They were to be found at disco-parties before the phrase "HIPHOP" was coined They just weren't called bboys

Herc:

When did you start to get involved in it?

I started to get involved in it right after my house got burned down. I was going to parties back then, see. A place called the Tunnel and a place called the Puzzle, right on 161st Street – that was the first disco I used to party at. Me, guys like Phase 2, Stay High, Sweet Duke, Lionel 163 – all the early graffiti writers – used to come through there. It’s where we used to meet up and party at.

Then, years later, [there was this club] called Disco Fever. Disco Fever used to be right here on 167th. But before Disco Fever there was the Puzzle. That was the first Bronx disco.


So back then you still weren’t playing?

I was dancing, I was partying. Right around 1970, I’m in high school.

That was when b-boying was starting?


Yeah, people were dancing, but they weren’t calling it b-boying. That was just the break, and people would go off. My terms came in after I started to play – I called them b-boys. Guys just used to breakdance… Right then, slang was in, and we shortened words down. Instead of disrespect, you know, you dissed me. That’s where that came from.

Red Bull Music Academy Daily



herc himself basically gives it away/admits to it when he says he was a bboy in the early 70s even before he started djing

people who were there swear that they saw early bboys at Grand Master Flowers parties

On the Ilixor boards, PappaWheelie reports that "At a lecture about hip hop history at the Brooklyn public library the lecturer was interupted, while claiming hip hop to have originated out in the Bronx, by an angry man claiming hip hop to have started out in Brooklyn. After gaing the attention of the crowd the man, whose name escapes me now, proceded to produce photos and a flyer, both dated 1968, of Grandmaster Flowers rocking a party of thousands in Brooklyn and in the front row are what appeared to be bboys uprocking. Who knows, it might just turn out to be that Brooklyn keeps on makin it and its the Bronx that keeps on takin it."

Brooklyn Music: BrooklynBio: The Mystery of Grandmaster Flowers

and

Plummer- Yes, see I wasn’t in it to make a lot of money, that wasn’t in my mind. Had I seriously thought about that I don’t know if I seriously would have gotten as far and as fast as I did. The reason why I bought up Sedley is because he sounded like Hank Spann on the radio, so he was rapping over the records and all of the sudden between Pete d.j. Jones and myself we had a guy to rap over our music and then Flowers too got an m.c or two. Like I said we copied off of each other and so we all just got better every quickly.

Then there was these guys called the City Steppers (Flame, Michael, Dungie and Doc) and Sedley knew these folks. These were the guys that would take the card board out there and they would start doing break dancing and stuff, this was 1973, 74 and 75 I guess. They would come with us and do all this fantastic stuff and it just seemed like it happened so quickly.


Troy- Where did they come from did they just attach themselves to you?
Plummer- Yes, all these were high school kids or recent grads, and they found a way to contort their bodies and stuff like that. They were a bunch of kids and somehow it became competitive thing for them. I didn’t have them that often but they would come and they liked my music so they said,”Can we do this and I said fine.”

Troy- So you had guys like Rubber Band, Flame, Doc and etc.
Plummer- Yes I remember them and most of them are in the Atlanta area now. But to be honest with you they were cooler with Sedley then me.

Troy- How is Sedley doing today?
Plummer- He went to school for engineering, got a degree and later on he went into acting. He’s out in California now.

Troy- So this music bought you d.j.’s together into some sort of union. You said you categorized the music 3 different ways as spoken word, mix and dance? I bring that up because they have in hip hop 4 elements break dancing, graffiti, m.c.ing and d.j.ing. Was that what you guys actually called it among your peers and fans of the music?
Plummer- (after a long pause.) We never had those kinds of discussions; it had never been done that way before. I mean you always had the radio station d.j.’s of various flavors and they would do play with all kinds of spoken word, different kinds of rapping and stuff like that and then you had the different kinds of radio stations that specialized in different kinds of music and different d.j.’s that had their favorite types of programmed music. But we did everything on the fly and what just made us feel good. So we were inventing all this stuff as we went along. As far as those 3 categories you just spoke about I was really trying to describe to some people at a website (www.deephousepage.com) in a language for people to understand. We had the hip hop kind of stuff or the spoken word kind of stuff and that was sort of when Sedley B came, he would have these rhymes and it would be sort of competitive but most of it was speaking to the women. I would be mixing to the beat of the music and he would have these love poems towards the women. Then the competitive stuff started but by this time I was out of it, by the time Grand Master Flash and them came around I was already out.

Troy- Now you said you never even seen or heard of those guys like Herc or Flash during the time you was in the game!

Plummer- Nope! I was gone by then.

Old School Hip Hop Interviews - DJ Plummer | OldSchoolHipHop.Com


another so called "disco" dj

DJ Reggie Wells


(standing with Kool Herc)

Cats on the hiphop circuit know about the work Reggie Wells put in at Club 371(Along with Hollywood, Eddie Cheeba, Junbug/Rip), During the mid 70's to early 80's, But, Cats on the dance music circuit most definitely know about Reggie Wells reputation for rockin a spot all-night to the morning lite at Justines(35thst and 8thave in Manhattan),

From 1979-1984, Reggie Wells started mixing on the Dance music circuit in 1974(Along with Reggie Wells mixing on the radio at CCNY in Harlem, During the mid/late 70's too, Reggie Wells was also mixing on BLS during the late 70's(1978-1980), Too, Reggie Wells, Junbug and Lovebug Starski, Are a few of the cats that i have ever heard, Who could

Rock a party for any type of crowd(Dance music crowd/R&B commercial crowd, Hiphop crowd, Stickup kid crowd, Big Willy drug dealer crowd, Etc), Reggie Wells was one of the premiere Dj's in New York, During ther late 70's to late 80's, Reggie Wells was one of the first cats to mix on the Intrepid(Battleship on 45thst and the Westside Highway),

^^exactly what hiphop sprung from. In that clip you hear hustle disco breaks, hard core funk breaks and the mc'ing

 

[Strapped]

Why are ny kats so angry all the damn time & are quick to start an argument over dumb shieet on the site mr. Cooker , you might be an exception is their to much fluoride in the water

 

[IllmaticDelta]

@kingofnyc


this right here is a perfect example of the juelzing being done by people were were from the younger segment who try to make a false distinction between "disco djs" who fathered the rapping style we know today and the so-called early hiphop dj's who HAD NO RAPPERS



cholly rock flat out says luv bug starksi and dj hollywood were pioneers of the rapping (he even points out that there were no rappers in the early hiphop scene) but then says they weren't hiphop but instead, Disco


luv bug was a disciple of DJ Hollywood






hollywood





he addresses the point Im getting at in this video below ("they took my game, changed the name and now all of a sudden Im not part of the thing I created?")



...now, here are quotes from people who considered themselves to be from the HIPHOP crowd as opposed to the DISCO crowd and their thoughts on Hollywood an where rapping started



KID CREOLE from Furious 5 (melle mel's brother)

JayQuan : Peace ; its an honor to speak to you , what year did you start Emceeing and who made you want to Emcee ?


Creole : It was around ' 75 , Mel was hangin' out with Flash & them - thats how I got associated with Flash.

We used to go to Kool Herc parties ; really anybody that had equipment we would go see them in the parks. Herc was one of the few Djs that had legitimate equipment and he would have inside parties and charge people . They didn't have a distinction between who was the Dj and who was the Emcee , because all the Djs Emceed . Pete Dj Jones and those cats had the Hank Span Disc Jockey voice. Timmy Tim , Clark Kent and Coke La Rock were three guys who were down with Herc . Tim & Clark Kent would say phrases like " on down till the A.M. " or " back & forth / forth & back " - just lil phrases , not full rhymes. They would say either nursery rhymes or stuff that the Last Poets had said. My sister Linda used to write poetry , so thats how we were introduced to it in general . Tim & Clark Kent would say it to the beat ; even though it wasn't that rhythmic. It was like " A taste of the pace with the bass in ya face". Because it was done in that pattern we wrote rhymes that were to that pattern. So for me it was Timmy Tim , Clark Kent , My Brother (Mele Mel) and my sister.


JQ : Im told that you and Mel were the first to split words between each other & go back & forth.


CR : Yeah , when we first started rhyming we wrote everything together , so it was a natural progression.


JQ : How about the " throw ya hands in the air " and all the call and response tactics ;

are you all responsible for that ?


CR : We weren't the first , but it was an evolution. Hollywood had mad crowd responses like "where's that place we work it out?" And the crowd responded "at the Alps (hotel) is where we work it out". We thought it was so fly . Cowboy really excelled at that kinda thing , lyrically he wasn't at the level of me & Mel , but he had no fear of asking the crowd to say this or do that.

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FUNKY 4 + 1

JQ : So who was the first person you ever saw Emcee...and who influenced you ?

LRC : The first person I ever saw Emcee was Keith Cowboy . He was a crowd motivator....he was mostly doin chants . The person that made me say that I can do this is Melle Mel....he really influenced me . Kid Creole was an early Emcee too . Hollywood and Starski and all those cats will tell you that they were first . They are right to an extent , but there were two classes of Hip Hop at the time...Disco & then the hard B Boys that used breakbeats . Hollywood and them were Disco Djs. Also Mel & Creole were the first Emcees to do back & forth rhyming.

FUNKY 4 / DOUBLE TROUBLE



Caz:

"Dj Hollywood was the blueprint for the syncopated (rapping) style"




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Zulu Nation Says DJ Kool Herc Did Not Start Hip Hop And Is Misrepresenting The Culture

What is further disturbing is the falsehood that Kool Herc failed to respect the TRUE first ladies of Hip-Hop: ShaRock, Lisa Lee, Debbie Dee, Queen Amber. The women who were there ON THE MIC representing this Culture. Kool Herc went as far as saying his SISTER is the “first lady of Hip-Hop”. Kool Herc’s sister is also his marketing rep, and is part of promoting the falsehood that she (Cindy) is the “First Lady” of Hip-Hop. That’s NOT TRUE.

Kool Herc, aka Clive Campbell DID NOT BIRTH HIP-HOP CULTURE 40 YEARS AGO ON AUGUST 11, 1973. In fact, Kool Herc only did a Back To School JAM in the recreation room at 1520 Sedgewick Avenue in the Bronx. No emcees were present, no “Hip-Hop” was present (a term heavily used by LoveBug Starski and Keith Cowboy), and the Zulu Nation was already in effect. THIS is the reason for this message. Please get a pen and write this down, or go stand near the chalkboard and write this one hundred times to make SURE you remember: HIP-HOP CULTURE IS 39 YEARS OLD…ZULU NATION IS 40 YEARS OLD.

Zulu Nation Says DJ Kool Herc Did Not Start Hip Hop And Is Misrepresenting The Culture


interesting post from Rahiem of Grandmaster Flash & The Furious 5, who came up in the Herc scene..




Now here is his take on how rapping started...

"Dancers that did a dance called the B-boying or that danced to Boioing music came directly from Kool Herc parties. Kool Herc's emcees didn't rhyme to the beat but they said catchy phrases that were adopted by emcees who expounded on what they were doing after Herc's emcees and then when emcees heard DJ Hollywood is when they began rhyming to the beat!"


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the whole disco vs hiphop thing is really based on class/image projected

so-called disco people = get fly cats

so-called hiphop people = broke dusty cats




DJ AJ (was a promoter who then became a dj) on the Disco vs early HipHop dynamic

How did you meet this kid name Son of Hollywood and why did you put him on of all people?


Well D.J. Hollywood was number one, he was the King!


In fact before you get to that how did you feel about the Disco Hip hop, opposed to the hip hop you and Busy and the other guys were doing?


I really didn’t respect them on that. They were there but they couldn’t f--- with us.


Were you about the same age as Eddie Cheba, Hollywood Reggie Wells and those guys?



Yes, the same age. I did a show one time at the Renaissance and Hollywood came through and smashed the mic, he was electric! But he was Disco I was pure Hip Hop. He had a whole different crowd. He had a grown sexy crowd!


Right he had the crowd with the shoes.

so basically, so the line of demarcation between hiphop and this subset of rapping disco dj's was the style of dress, age, attitude and class, more than the music. The music was basically the same source material

 

[Phitz]

I feel like I'm in between the battle lines of this WILLIE LYNCH looking azz war we got going on

When the last time you been to St Kitts? Last time I was there, I met a NY girl there who is also halfSt Kitts half AA. Her father is from there. Some locals were selling land when I went and ALOT of yt vacationers were shopping.

 

[truth2you]

@IllmaticDelta listening to him say Bambatta didn't make the name "Hip Hop", at least make it popular. makes me wonder what the hell did Bambatta do to get the claim as the founder of it?

I don't know why, but I just now thought about this shyt, what the hell did he do? I understand Herc, I understand Flash, but Bam? This nikka is a piece of work. I'm hearing he lied about going to Stevenson, and getting a trip to Africa from them. We now know he was full of shyt with the "peace" shyt, he was on some sex fiend shyt, and had killers keep people quiet. I think he is the greatest finesser of hip hop history, because he has us arguing on shyt he started teaching, at least made widely known, and his underling Krs-One, who I still respect somewhat.

The topic also reminds me of 1996/97 when hip hop separated, and you had the "party" version, and the "backpack" version, Before that it was the mainstream vs the underground. Its all because of how shyt started, life is wild!

 

[truth2you]

When the last time you been to St Kitts? Last time I was there, I met a NY girl there who is also halfSt Kitts half AA. Her father is from there. Some locals were selling land when I went and ALOT of yt vacationers were shopping.

you know the prices?