I'm not concerned about a.i. being a bubble. I'm concerned about it actually being what they say it is.

Piff Perkins

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I used to on this train but I think when you look under the hood the degree of difficulty it takes to make the required chips and the investment necessary in data centers makes AI not yet feasible on a wide scale. You will never make the profit necessary to justify the amount required to invest for it to work properly.

And tech CEOs are finally admitting this. IBM's CEO just talked about this recently. Microsoft is grappling with it too. You need trillions of dollars to keep this shyt going which is impossible without government intervention. And with republican and democrat citizens pushing back on datacenters it's going to become a very divisive issue. Which is why this takeover happened so fast across two administrations helmed by elderly idiots. They struck at the perfect time and I still think it was enough.

That doesn't mean AI will fail. It's main utilization will be from non-AI companies who use it to cut costs, cut jobs, build the surveillance state, etc. Do I think OpenAI goes belly up and gets bailed out/consolidated into the Department Of Energy or Pentagon? Yes. But that doesn't stop the train. Post-bubble it'll just be the non-tech corporations using it to make the world worse for everyone except the rich.
 

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That doesn't mean AI will fail. It's main utilization will be from non-AI companies who use it to cut costs, cut jobs, build the surveillance state, etc. Do I think OpenAI goes belly up and gets bailed out/consolidated into the Department Of Energy or Pentagon? Yes. But that doesn't stop the train. Post-bubble it'll just be the non-tech corporations using it to make the world worse for everyone except the rich.

anthropic - claude
open AI - chatGPT
google - genimi
deepseek - deepseek
apple - apple intelligence
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They are pushing A.I. as a thing that is superior to humans at basically everything.

i doubt anyone of substance actually said that.





If theyre right, they're essentially telling all businesses: you can fire your staff and subscribe to our A.I. software and license our robots.

I don't think they are since most of these guys are NOT scientists but that doesnt matter if they can successfully convince business owners to do that by tapping into their FOMO and hunger for cost savings.

that's true BUT customers have to resist ... and ensure they don't move as a herd

you sound like you don't use AI (LLMs)

go try one and you will feel much better.
 

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i doubt anyone of substance actually said that.







that's true BUT customers have to resist ... and ensure they don't move as a herd

you sound like you don't use AI (LLMs)

go try one and you will feel much better.

The blind spot in this reasoning is that people of substance are not the only relevant factors, actually the opposite is the case most times

There are plenty of bad actors, degenerates, and gambling addicts working the machinations of society
 

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The general populace going along with this is the most hilarious thing about all of this shyt.
So AI is great at pattern recognition, speed, scale etc Humans remain strongest at judgment, context, empathy, and creativity. People should use AI as just a tool to enhance what humans are innately good at
See this is rational.



:francis: unfortunately.........we all know that AI won't be used in a rational way at all.
 

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The blind spot in this reasoning is that people of substance are not the only relevant factors, actually the opposite is the case most times

that's going to create a bubble.

There are plenty of bad actors, degenerates, and gambling addicts working the machinations of society

we are discussing whether predictions are accurate not whether it is in a bubble.

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we saw bubbles with dot.com, structured debt, crypto .. now AI

it looks like that is just the way we do business
 

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AI taxis are already in LA. People using them more and more everyday and its cheaper than uber and lyft

those are not ** driven ** by LLMs

LLMs are "by some accounts" the precursors to AGI

driving systems are not.

because driving systems are operating in structured environments.
 

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I used to on this train but I think when you look under the hood the degree of difficulty it takes to make the required chips and the investment necessary in data centers makes AI not yet feasible on a wide scale. You will never make the profit necessary to justify the amount required to invest for it to work properly.
I pissed my boss of I think because we were having a meeting about how to utilize AI going forward. I pointed out how resource intensive utilizing AI is and how our network and hardware teams are already struggling with our existing products. I also mentioned how we are already struggling revenue and profit wise, so have we factored in the added cost of beefing up the infrastructure. He started stuttering and saying none of that had been considered but he'll bring it up to the AI committee we have. It was kind of embarrassing to me since I'm far from an expert.
 
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