I'm REALLY getting annoyed with the left confusing IMMIGRANTS with ILLEGAL ALIENS

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You will never go broke betting on government incompetence, but the idea that legal immigrants and legal residents will just get swept up in the deportation wave is absurd. Almost as absurd as the idea of deporting 11 million people. It's not going to happen. But the caping for illegal immigration is something I really don't understand. If your friends, family or coworkers have committed an illegal act, the state has the right to punish them. It's often sad, but it's not unjust. We can talk about effective methods to prevent this sad situation from happening in the future, but to act as though it's evil to call for enforcement of borders is nuts. Especially coming from the people who are on the front lines of the economic repercussions of these shytty immigration policies.

Again, Trump's language was inappropriate and disturbing, but the idea behind the policy is defensible. The state has a right to enforce and defend its borders. America has some of the most trash borders in the world. Illegal immigration is not tolerated in any other nation on the planet.

The USA has the largest percentage of its population comprised of illegals than ANY other nations

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Straight from the Coulter/Trump Research Institute

Or Bear Sterns?

Illegal immigrant population of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[StatUS]

Or Bear Sterns?

Illegal immigrant population of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Coulter and Sterns whole method is based on illegals not doing surveys and a rise in sending money back to Mexico. It has no basis because the conclusion to get to 20-30 million people is never stated and has been debunked by every reputable anti-immigration group.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Coulter and Sterns whole method is based on illegals not doing surveys and a rise in sending money back to Mexico. It has no basis because the conclusion to get to 20-30 million people is never stated and has been debunked by every reputable anti-immigration group.

Bruh. Even the models that estimate 12 million round down.

Read a footnote for once in your life.

 

[StatUS]

Bruh. Even the models that estimate 12 million round down.

Read a footnote for once in your life.

You're trolling. This has been debunked years ago, the fact that you bring it up as reputable when every other estimate doesn't fit your narrative is the same rhetoric that I'd expect from idiots like Trump and Coulter. The damn thing hasn't even been updated since 2007 but hey let's go with it

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You're trolling. This has been debunked years ago, the fact that you bring it up as reputable when every other estimate doesn't fit your narrative is the same rhetoric that I'd expect from idiots like Trump and Coulter. The damn thing hasn't even been updated since 2007 but hey let's go with it

you'd have a point, if that was the only estimate.

And you know its not.

 

[VegasCAC]

You will never go broke betting on government incompetence, but the idea that legal immigrants and legal residents will just get swept up in the deportation wave is absurd. Almost as absurd as the idea of deporting 11 million people. It's not going to happen. But the caping for illegal immigration is something I really don't understand. If your friends, family or coworkers have committed an illegal act, the state has the right to punish them. It's often sad, but it's not unjust. We can talk about effective methods to prevent this sad situation from happening in the future, but to act as though it's evil to call for enforcement of borders is nuts. Especially coming from the people who are on the front lines of the economic repercussions of these shytty immigration policies.

Again, Trump's language was inappropriate and disturbing, but the idea behind the policy is defensible. The state has a right to enforce and defend its borders. America has some of the most trash borders in the world. Illegal immigration is not tolerated in any other nation on the planet.

Actually deporting legal residents is a KEY PART of Trump's immigration policy, to which he derisively refers to as "anchor babies" Donald Trump: "Anchor babies" aren't American citizens


Trump: Deport children of undocumented immigrants in the US

Not to mention the many households and communities with both legal residents and illegal immigrants living in them. You think when Trump's jackboots (again, not fear-mongering, he has said he wants to do this) kick down people's doors it wont affect legal residents too? What do you think Deportation Forces rolling through majority-Latino communities (where people of all legal residency statuses live) are going to do to the fabric of that community? What do you think will be the human costs?

You're moving the goalposts. You're talking about how "the idea behind the policy is defensible", which is extremely nebulous and has nothing to do with your original question (let me remind you):

If I was a Latino-American citizen of legal standing, what would I have to fear from Trump's immigration policy?

I'm not talking about the "idea behind the policy", which I assume means controlling illegal immigration. I'm talking about the actual policy as laid out by the candidate. You're making a false equivalence. Not supporting Trump's batshyt crazy ACTUAL POLICY is NOT saying that a state does not have a right to enforce its borders.

 

[King Kreole]

Actually deporting legal residents is a KEY PART of Trump's immigration policy, to which he derisively refers to as "anchor babies" Donald Trump: "Anchor babies" aren't American citizens


Trump: Deport children of undocumented immigrants in the US

Not to mention the many households and communities with both legal residents and illegal immigrants living in them. You think when Trump's jackboots (again, not fear-mongering, he has said he wants to do this) kick down people's doors it wont affect legal residents too? What do you think Deportation Forces rolling through majority-Latino communities (where people of all legal residency statuses live) are going to do to the fabric of that community? What do you think will be the human costs?

The anchor babies thing was about disincentivizing illegal immigration. But America is a country of immigrants, so revoking the jus soli principle isn't on the table. Trump realized that, which is why he dropped that anchor baby line and hasn't advocated for it in almost a year.

Yes, deportations are often disruptive to the community. Communities engaging in widespread illegal practices will often be under threat of disruption. If I live in a mafia neighborhood, even though I'm clean I'm not going to be surprised when the Feds come through my neighbours' houses with warrants. The solution isn't to not enforce the law, it's to prevent the law from being broken in the first place. You're essentially saying that the state has no right to deport illegal immigrants because their friends and family will be upset, which is absurd on the face of it. It is a sad, heartbreaking situation, but it's something the state has a fundamental right to do, and it's something that basically every other country in the world does without such debate.

You're moving the goalposts. You're talking about how "the idea behind the policy is defensible", which is extremely nebulous and has nothing to do with your original question (let me remind you):

I'm not talking about the "idea behind the policy", which I assume means controlling illegal immigration. I'm talking about the actual policy as laid out by the candidate. You're making a false equivalence. Not supporting Trump's batshyt crazy ACTUAL POLICY is NOT saying that a state does not have a right to enforce its borders.

I'm not moving goalposts. I was making a distinction between the policy and the rhetoric promoting the policy. I don't believe building a literal wall between America and Mexico is practical, but I believe if someone is residing in America illegally, the state has the right to deport them. That's the foundation of Trump's policy. My initial post said that it's completely legitimate to debate how that takes place, but many anti-Trumpers are acting like it is immoral to deport illegal immigrants. As if that shows some latent hatred towards all Latino-Americans.

State exactly what actual policy on Trump's platform regarding immigration you believe legally residing Latino-Americans have to fear. Find me the actual policy that states that legally residing Latino-Americans are going to be deported.

 

[hashmander]

Sooo legal immigration is bad, but illegal immigration is good?

neither, but illegals aren't being encountered on the job market by anyone with ambition. people who bytch about illegal immigration as it affects black people are damning black people to shyt jobs that are of no value to our community. while legal immigrants are being used to take white collar jobs and other jobs of value and have been used to keep blacks out of that marketplace. so if you have a college degree or some trade certification and are unemployed, illegal immigrants aren't your problem, never were and never will be. legal ones are keeping you out, employers value them more.

 

[Astroslik]

This has NEVER been true.

You know all those supposedly shytty jobs mexicans do?

Blacks did them. And they got paid legal wages, with legal benefits, and legal job security.

Do you have any links for this? I'm not actually disagreeing with you I would just like to show some hard facts to throw in some of my Hispanic friends faces who make the same lazy argument.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Do you have any links for this? I'm not actually disagreeing with you I would just like to show some hard facts to throw in some of my Hispanic friends faces who make the same lazy argument.

Three HUGE ass threads i've done on this:

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/illegal-immigration-hurts-the-black-community.371501/

www.thecoli.com/threads/npr-decoding-discrimination-in-america’s-temp-industry-illegals-preferred-over-black-citizens.420004/

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/vale...igrant-causes-an-uproar.435030/#post-19495052

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

neither, but illegals aren't being encountered on the job market by anyone with ambition. people who bytch about illegal immigration as it affects black people are damning black people to shyt jobs that are of no value to our community. while legal immigrants are being used to take white collar jobs and other jobs of value and have been used to keep blacks out of that marketplace. so if you have a college degree or some trade certification and are unemployed, illegal immigrants aren't your problem, never were and never will be. legal ones are keeping you out, employers value them more.

 

[King Kreole]

neither, but illegals aren't being encountered on the job market by anyone with ambition. people who bytch about illegal immigration as it affects black people are damning black people to shyt jobs that are of no value to our community. while legal immigrants are being used to take white collar jobs and other jobs of value and have been used to keep blacks out of that marketplace. so if you have a college degree or some trade certification and are unemployed, illegal immigrants aren't your problem, never were and never will be. legal ones are keeping you out, employers value them more.

Do you have any links for this? I'm not actually disagreeing with you I would just like to show some hard facts to throw in some of my Hispanic friends faces who make the same lazy argument.

 

[Street Knowledge]

I wouldn't have a problem with open borders of we got rid of the minimum wage, food stamps, public housing, Medicaid etc.

 

[Mission249]

I can't prove it but something tells me that if these illegal immigrants weren't brown - if it was a flood of white Canadians coming in illegally - the whole liberal narrative would flip to: "These white Canadians are coming in illegally and taking resources and opportunities away from deserving African-American citizens who already have it hard in this poor economy." My point is the whole situation just screams of pandering, intellectual dishonesty and liberals patronizingly lowering the bar for certain people.

I could be seeing it wrong tho. Interested in people's thoughts on that idea...