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Tookalossfellbackcameback
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When all is said and done is AD even a 5? Davis HIMSELF doesn't think he's a 5 or even want to play the 5...
In the traditional sense AD is much more PF-like...more in the KG/Duncan tier.
Jokic is bullying modern, light 5's in an era of spacing and shooting. He also doesn't have to worry about big, powerful 6'9", 6'10" 4's (Buck Williams, Antonio Davis, Kemp ect.) either helping contest or battling him down low for rebounds.
Jokic is a very good player who looks like an all-time great because of the era...I think that a fair assessment to make.
In the traditional sense AD is much more PF-like...more in the KG/Duncan tier.
Jokic is bullying modern, light 5's in an era of spacing and shooting. He also doesn't have to worry about big, powerful 6'9", 6'10" 4's (Buck Williams, Antonio Davis, Kemp ect.) either helping contest or battling him down low for rebounds.
Jokic is a very good player who looks like an all-time great because of the era...I think that a fair assessment to make.
The funny thing about trying to penalize Jokic for not going up against "true" centers is, he'd actually fare better if he played against true 5s.Good point
We've always stated that he's not going up against true centers. It's a bad look right now
There's a reason why traditional centers aren't around anymore like they used to be, all because they can't stay on the floor to impact winning.
If Jokic was afforded the luxury of playing against the backdrop of 5s like Greg Ostertag, Luc Longley, Al Jefferson etc he'd be more dominant than he is now, because he'd be able to expose their inability to defend in space more than he can against mobile bigs like AD. Traditional centers won't be able to keep up with him over the course of the game, much less be bothered to defend him out on the perimeter. The fact he can keep up with bigs like AD into today's game, is a testament to his ability. You'd be hard pressed to find players his size from the past that could do the same.
I know cats clown AD for not being able to stop him because he lacks the size, but size had nothing to do with it. AD was out there playing 40+ minutes running all over the floor trying to defend him, whereas a much slower, less agile and less conditioned big wouldn't last half the time.
If he's capable of hitting shots like this over an all-time defender all up in his grill, what hope does a true 5 ever have of stopping him?
They'll be too busy loitering around the paint, trying to catch their breath.
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AD is a tougher matchup for Jokic than Reggie, Dumars, Richmond and Clyde were for MJ. Nevermind the fact that MJ never had to play directly against someone on AD's-level regularly in the playoffs. He didn't face the same quality of opposition in the playoffs either, but that's another argument.When all is said and done is AD even a 5? Davis HIMSELF doesn't think he's a 5 or even want to play the 5...
In the traditional sense AD is much more PF-like...more in the KG/Duncan tier.
Jokic bullies Gobert when he plays against him. He's clowned his ass with all-time great performances in the playoffs. Does Gobert being a true center and a 4x DPOY not matter, all because he struggles to defend in space and on switches against guards?
Jokic's bullying all those bum ass centers that Shaq ran through in the early 2000s too, or don't we wanna talk about that?
My g, Bron is bigger than Buck Williams.
You're really not helping your cause here.
Jokic would be an all-time great in every era.
He's arguably the greatest playmaker and shot maker at his position, all with an all-time motor and a competitive nature that would make him rise to the top, no matter the competition. I don't know, it seems no matter what a modern player does/proves, it's never enough, all because the past NBA is always seen as a much harsher place to exist in.
Given that, it seems there's nothing he can do to prove you otherwise.
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its hilarious how Jokic is dominating a weak era for centers but also how can he have bad games against this era centers. You Jokic haters, and you are one despite what you wrote, aren’t consistent at all.
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Nobody applies this logic across the board though.
It’s not true about Jokic but even if it was, you all ignore that logic with other players.
Just like Gil said earlier, yall don’t have shyt to say about Jordan’s competition in the expansion era. Or the bums Shaq ran thru in the early 2000s.
Hell, I doubt the average coli poster could even name 5 centers that KAJ played against in his prime.
You all just wanna hate on the players you don’t personally love. Maybe it’s fun. But it’s almost always done with bad faith arguments.
mastermind
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I edited my post to be clearer
Tookalossfellbackcameback
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If you check my posting history I actually was a big Jokic fan...I still am. I have a post where I said he's up there with Dream.
What made me change my mind was the Clippers series against Zu and watching a Houston/Orlando regular season game from '96. I straight up forgot how dominant Shaq and Dream were.
I was watching those two go at it and concluded Jokic isn't messing with these dudes.
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HOW YOU THINK THESE nikkaS
BLEW A 20PT LEAD IN
GAME 7 LAST YEAR?
IT WAS A LAYUP LINE
OR THE YEARS CURRY AND CP3
EXPLOITED HIM AND GOT THEM
OUTTA THERE
IsThatBrothaMouzone?
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Think they're also forgetting Shaq was still relatively young along with Kobe. He was only 25 in 1997.
SHAQ PUT UP 32 PTS ON 56% FG
JOKER SHOOTING UNDER
38% 3 GAMES IN A ROW
SIMPLY BECAUSE HARTENSTIEN
TOOK HIS RIGHT HANDED
HOOK SHOT AWAY
IsThatBrothaMouzone?
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Also his terrible defense isn't talked about NEARLY ENOUGH
I like Joker but the near universal glazing of him annoys me.
We find reasons to hate on certain players that ALSO put up AMAZING numbers consistently but if you talk about Joker people pearl clutch
As a Mavs fan, this shyt annoys me to no end.
Dirk used to be called "Irk Nowitzki" because of his lack of defense. He tried hard, but just didn't have the lateral quickness to stay in front of people.
Keep in mind Dirk played in an era with A LOT of strong PF's like KG, Timmy D, Amar'e, C-Webb....all in the Western Conference with him too. Dude always put up better numbers in the playoffs and yet he stayed getting shytted on.
Meanwhile the NBA talking heads give Joker a pass on D even though he plays in an era with much weaker competition at his position. Who is Joker's KG or Timmy D?
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Pass me the rock nikka
Its activated. Not even the super dragonballs can stop thisstill time for the jinx