Immigration Amnesty: The Path to Poverty

[theworldismine13]

Immigration Amnesty: The Path to Poverty - The Daily Beast

In 2008, Mark Krikorian published an important new book arguing against permissive immigration. The book's central idea: what has changed since Ellis Island days is not the immigrants; it's the society they are immigrating to.

In 1913, a Sicilian who migrated to New York City to do manual labor would discover a society willing to pay a high wage for his effort.

In 2013 … not so. Yesterday's New York Times reports on a new study confirming Krikorian's insight.

People of Mexican descent in New York City are far more likely to be living in poor or near-poor households than other Latinos, blacks, whites or Asians,according to a study to be released on Thursday.

Nearly two-thirds of the city’s Mexican residents, including immigrants and the native-born, are living in low-income households, compared with 55 percent of all Latinos; 42 percent of blacks and Asians; and 25 percent of whites, said the report by the Community Service Society, a research and advocacy group in New York City that focuses on poverty.

The rates are even more pronounced for children: About 79 percent of all Mexicans under age 16 in New York City live in low-income households, with about 45 percent living below the poverty line — significantly higher percentages than any other major Latino group as well as the broader population.

While the Mexican immigrants enjoy exceptionally high rates of employment, their salaries are not sufficient to support young families, the study’s authors said.

Things are not improving in the second generation either.

Mexican youth who have left school — native-born and foreign-born alike — have considerably lower levels of educational attainment than their peers, with more than half lacking a high school diploma.

“The fact that native-born Mexican young people are less likely than other Latinos (and other racial/ethnic groups) to attain high school diplomas and enroll in college is extremely troubling,” the report said.
Other work has found Mexican-American educational deficiencies persisting into the fourth generation after migration.

The United States is already evolving into a society much harsher and less hospitable for the less-skilled. Yet American elites seem determined to enlarge and perpetuate a problem they already don't know how to solve: how to create economic opportunities for the least economically competitive half of the population.

Yesterday, the Center for American Progress released a study of the projected economic effects of the president's immigration proposals. It asserted that immediate full amnesty - residency plus citizenship - would raise immigrant incomes and thereby government revenues.

Over 10 years, that additional tax revenue would sum to $184 billion—$116 billion to the federal government and $68 billion to state and local governments.

CAP gets its impressive number with a crummy trick: omitting the increased costs of legalization. Previously illegal immigrants will become eligible for Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits, unemployment insurance, food stamps, and other federal and state programs. Because the illegals are predominantly very low-income, their demand on such programs will be heavy - and not only long-term, but likely multigenerational.

Why on earth would we deliberately expand the ranks of the least skilled by tens of millions more people imported from abroad, whose grandchildren and great-grandchildren will still require government aid into the 22nd century? That's the question to keep in mind as the American elite tumbles its way to unthinking consensus in favor of a second large immigration amnesty in 30 years.

 

[The Real]

Immigration Amnesty: The Path to Poverty - The Daily Beast

"American elites?"

David Frum, of all people, using such a term is laughable. This is a perfect example of the Conservative echo-chamber at work. Quote a book written by an anti-immigration think tank (that is, a think tank whose entire reason for existence is to produce anti-immigration research) as if it's an objective study, then position yourself as an underdog and observer, rather than someone whose credentials are closely linked to the author you're quoting.

 

[Brown_Pride]

correlation does not imply causation

The gap between the rich and poor is ever widening but hey, it's the mesicans fault.
As it turns out people who are constantly having to look for work and or people who are getting exploited seldom have time to "build wealth".

who knew....

 

[theworldismine13]

"American elites?"

David Frum, of all people, using such a term is laughable. This is a perfect example of the Conservative echo-chamber at work. Quote a book written by an anti-immigration think tank (that is, a think tank whose entire reason for existence is to produce anti-immigration research) as if it's an objective study, then position yourself as an underdog and observer, rather than someone whose credentials are closely linked to the author you're quoting.

thats valid, but everybody does that, its not like the pro amnesty studies are done be neutral people either

correlation does not imply causation

The gap between the rich and poor is ever widening but hey, it's the mesicans fault.
As it turns out people who are constantly having to look for work and or people who are getting exploited seldom have time to "build wealth".

who knew....

well the point is that policy should be focused on integration, not simply trying to open up the borders or grant amnesty

its not a good idea to bring in people and when they get here they are doing things the same way they were doing it from where they came from

i think part of the wealth gap is caused by the lack of integration of minorities that dont participate in the larger economy and the education system

 

[714562]

Net illegal immigration for the past two years has been zero.

Why are you STILL unhappy?

 

[theworldismine13]

Net illegal immigration for the past two years has been zero.

Why are you STILL unhappy?

illegal immigration has to be reduced to allow the assimilation of legal immigrants already here

so illegal immigration needs to be net negative

 

[714562]

illegal immigration has to be reduced to allow the assimilation of legal immigrants already here

so illegal immigration needs to be net negative

Seems fine to me.

Civic Report 53 | Measuring Immigrant Assimilation in the United States

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

illegal immigration has to be reduced to allow the assimilation of legal immigrants already here

How does the presence of illegals (primarily comprised of Central Americans) interfere with the assimilation of legals (primarily comprised of Asians, Africans)

There is very little overlap between the two groups

 

[theworldismine13]

Seems fine to me.

Civic Report 53 | Measuring Immigrant Assimilation in the United States

it doesnt to me

Mexican immigrants, the largest group and the focus of most current immigration policy debates, have assimilated slowly, but their experience is not representative of the entire immigrant population.

Mexican immigrants experience very low rates of economic and civic assimilation. Immigrants born in Mexico, particularly those living and working in the United States illegally, lie at the heart of many current debates over immigration policy. The assimilation index shows that immigrants from Mexico are very distinct from the native-born upon arrival and assimilate slowly over time. The slow rates of economic and civic assimilation set Mexicans apart from other immigrants, and may reflect the fact that the large numbers of Mexican immigrants residing in the United States illegally have few opportunities to advance themselves along these dimensions

 

[714562]

it doesnt to me

You should probably read the whole report.

Immigrants of the past quarter-century have assimilated more rapidly than their counterparts of a century ago, even though they are more distinct from the native population upon arrival. The increase in the rate of assimilation among recently arrived immigrants explains why the overall index has remained stable, even though the immigrant population has grown rapidly.

and the very next line of your quoted portion says...

Mexican immigrants experience relatively normal rates of cultural assimilation. Recent cohorts of Mexican immigrants have increased their rate of cultural assimilation just as immigrants born in other nations have done.

And the portion you quoted specifically cites OPPORTUNITIES, which suggests that increasing opportunity for illegal immigrants would help assimilation, so...your point is?

 

[theworldismine13]

You should probably read the whole report.



and the very next line of your quoted portion says...



And the portion you quoted specifically cites OPPORTUNITIES, which suggests that increasing opportunity for illegal immigrants would help assimilation, so...your point is?

breh, the report says clearly

the current level of assimilation remains lower than it was at any point during the early 20th century wave of immigration.

so i dont think this report helps your case

 

[theworldismine13]

How does the presence of illegals (primarily comprised of Central Americans) interfere with the assimilation of legals (primarily comprised of Asians, Africans)

There is very little overlap between the two groups

i have no idea where you got that info from, there are ebb and flows, i think asians are the biggest group last year, but that is actually a huge shift from the past 30 years, the majority of both legal and illegal immigrants are from mexico and south and central america, there is a huge overlap between the two groups

 

[theworldismine13]

Plus I don't need no report, everytime you hear "press 2 for Spanish" that means somebody is not assimilating

 

[714562]

breh, the report says clearly



so i dont think this report helps your case

...do you know how to read more than a single sentence?

Growth in the immigrant population usually lowers the assimilation index because newly arrived immigrants drag down the average for the group as a whole.

Rate of assimilation is higher, even though the number of new arrivals keeps the index even. So we're fine.

The only reason it's lower for Mexicans is lack of opportunity, which suggests that more opportunity = more assimilation.

 

[The Real]

Plus I don't need no report, everytime you hear "press 2 for Spanish" that means somebody is not assimilating

Eh, this isn't really true. Every country with a decent immigrant population has alternative language resources. They don't exist because it's ok not to speak English, but rather because many people come here not having a proper grasp of it, and it's illogical to expect them to or to make that a requirement for immigration. Many people who do assimilate start out needing services like that.