In 90's Hip Hop, ALLAH was the dominating top "God"

[KENNY DA COOKER]

I always find it so funny when Americans get so petrified if someone says Allah, it literally means God in another language.

That's only the POOR unenLIGHTened masses which is 85% of the population

The 10% rich bloodsuckers of the poor KNOW THE TRUTH and don't live in fear

 

[Young/Nacho\Drawz]

I quote TWO previous answers that I wrote in the thread that confirm what you've said.

What you're telling me is that Jesus is not the same historical figure on the basis of the Gospel of John. But look what I put in bold. There are SOME who believe in the historical figure of Jesus (the Synoptic Gospels of Mark, Matthew and Luke present this LITERAL historical figure) and others who present Jesus as God incarnate, or the 'Word' of God i.e. this transcendent figure I alluded to earlier (as in the Gospel of John).

So essentially, 75% of the Gospel works present Jesus as a historical figure, so that's what the majority tend to go off regarding Jesus' portrayal. Islam is referring to the SAME person as the Jesus of Matthew, Mark and Luke, but it doesn't present exactly the same occurrence of events as the Gospels do. That was my point. It's not two different Jesus', unless you want to talk about John, and that's where it gets confusing.

And yes I'm well aware Christianity pre-dates Islam, I don't need you to prove that. It's not relevant to the point I'm making.

I'm just doing what the Quran has said to do:
Sura 5:50: "And let the People of the Gospel judge by what God has revealed in it. If any fail to judge by what God has revealed, they are licentious."

The Gospels state that Jesus is the Word Of God, thus making him the Creator since everything was created by the spoken Word. The Gospel states that you are anti-christ and everyone who doesn't believe that Jesus Christ is the Son Of God is as well. This is why me pointing out that Christianity pre-dates Islam was pertinent to the point:

Galatians 1:6
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

Galatians 1:7
Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

Galatians 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Galatians 1:9
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Galatians 1:10
For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

Galatians 1:11
But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

Galatians 1:12
For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

^So according to the Quran this is what I can use to judge this situation.

Why should I listen to anyone who comes along with another Gospel some time later claiming to have received a Revelation from an angel when the Gospel tells me directly not to? Someone who thought he was demon possessed when he received his revelation? So yeah, your "Jesus" is some one made up by some guy. If I say you have purple hair and you don't then I must not be talking about you lol.
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As far as your arguments about Jesus never saying he was God. The scriptures still us in various places, here is one example showing him has the creator since everything was created by the Word:

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:2
The same was in the beginning with God.

John 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:4
In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

John 1:5
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

John 1:6
There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

John 1:7
The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

John 1:8
He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

John 1:9
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

John 1:10
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

John 1:11
He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

John 1:13
Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Here is a verse of Jesus telling his disciples not to tell people who he was:

Matthew 16:20
Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

Your point is noted but it has no real relevance to this discussion. I think you need to read it all instead of just the parts in red letter and you wont be as confused.

 

[TransJenner]

 

[Burger King]

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[KENNY DA COOKER]

I'm just doing what the Quran has said to do:
Sura 5 "And let the People of the Gospel judge by what God has revealed in it. If any fail to judge by what God has revealed, they are licentious."

The Gospels state that Jesus is the Word Of God, thus making him the Creator since everything was created by the spoken Word. The Gospel states that you are anti-christ and everyone who doesn't believe that Jesus Christ is the Son Of God is as well. This is why me pointing out that Christianity pre-dates Islam was pertinent to the point:


^So according to the Quran this is what I can use to judge this situation.

Why should I listen to anyone who comes along with another Gospel some time later claiming to have received a Revelation from an angel when the Gospel tells me directly not to? Someone who thought he was demon possessed when he received his revelation? So yeah, your "Jesus" is some one made up by some guy. If I say you have purple hair and you don't then I must not be talking about you lol.
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As far as your arguments about Jesus never saying he was God. The scriptures still us in various places, here is one example showing him has the creator since everything was created by the Word:

Here is a verse of Jesus telling his disciples not to tell people who he was:


Your point is noted but it has no real relevance to this discussion. I think you need to read it all instead of just the parts in red letter and you wont be as confused.

Quote from a literal translation of the bible commissioned by a medieval pedophile "raised" in the same lodge with Sir Francis Bacon one of the 40 plus Shakespearean authors of the Bible..nothing more than a bibliography of old african allegorical tales and stories

corrupted by RACIST WHITE EUROPEANS whom wanted you to WORSHIP something outside of yourself

 

[blackslash]

In 628, the Meccan tribe of Quraysh and the Muslim community in Medina signed a 10-year truce called the Treaty of Hudaybiyah.

According to the terms of the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah, the Arab tribes were given the option of joining either of the parties, the Muslims or Quraysh. Should any of these tribes face aggression, the party to which it was allied would have the right to retaliate. As a consequence, Banu Bakr joined Quraysh, and Khuza'ah joined Muhammad. They thus lived in peace for some time; but ulterior motives stretching back to the pre-Islamic period, ignited by unabated fire of revenge, triggered fresh hostilities. Banu Bakr, without concern for the provisions of the treaty, attacked Banu Khuza'a in a place called Al-Wateer in Sha'ban, in 8 AH. Quraysh helped Banu Bakr with men and arms, taking advantage of the dark night. Pressed by their enemies, the tribesmen of Khuza'ah sought the Holy Sanctuary, but here too, their lives were not spared, and, contrary to all accepted traditions, Nawfal, the chief of Banu Bakr, chased them in the sanctified area — where no blood should be shed — and massacred his adversaries. Khuza'ah at once sent a delegation to Medina to inform the Islamic prophet, Muhammad, of this breach of truce and to seek help from Muslims of Medina being their allies.


This violation of treaty lead to Muhammad's march to Mecca, so the Quresh can answer for their crimes.


Muhammad emphasized on refraining from fighting unless Quresh attacked. The Muslim army entered Mecca on Monday, 11 December 629 (18 Ramadan 8 hijrah).[4] The entry was peaceful and bloodless entry on three sectors except for that of Khalid's column. The hardened anti-Muslims like Ikrimah and Sufwan gathered a band of Quresh fighters and faced Khalid's column. The Quresh attacked the Muslims with swords and bows, and the Muslims charged the Quresh's positions. After a short skirmish the Quresh gave ground after losing twelve men. Muslim losses were two warriors

On the eve of the opening, Abu Sufyan adopted Islam. When asked by Muhammad, he conceded that the Meccan gods had proved powerless and that there was indeed "no god but Allah", the first part of the Islamic confession of faith. In turn, Muhammad declared Abu Sufyan's house a sanctuary because he was the present chief, and that all the others were gathered over his territory, therefore:

He also declared:

Allah has made Mecca a sanctuary since the day He created the Heavens and the Earth, and it will remain a sanctuary by virtue of the sanctity Allah has bestowed on it until the Day of Resurrection. It (fighting in it) was not made lawful to anyone before me. Nor will it be made lawful to anyone after me, and it was not made lawful for me except for a short period of time. Its animals (that can be hunted) should not be chased, nor should its trees be cut, nor its vegetation or grass uprooted, nor its Luqata (most things) picked up except by one who makes a public announcement about it.'[8]
Then, along with his companions Muhammad visited the Kaaba. The idols were broken and their gods were destroyed. Thereupon Muhammad recited the following verse from the Quran:"Say, the Truth has come and falsehood gone. Verily falsehood is bound to vanish.

I speak to you in the same words as Yūsuf spoke to his brothers. This day there is no reproof against you; Go your way, for you are free."[9] Muhammad's prestige grew after the surrender of the Meccans. Emissaries from all over Arabia came to Medina to accept him


Conquest of Mecca - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


sounds as peaceful as it gets to me


Also please cite authentic hadith for the claims that you make (like those about torturing a man etc.), otherwise until then I will disregard them

What are the Hadith you consider valid?
And stop using Wikipedia as a source stick to Muslim sources(ie: hadith) for this discussion on the life of muhammed

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

Lmao what the hadith online scholars are back????

 

[Originalman]

Planet Asia, ROC Marciano, KA, Dirty Diggs, Durag dynasty, Hus Kingpin, GOD MUSIC IS STILL ALIVE AND WELL BREHS!

Truth!

 

[Saiyajin]

What are the Hadith you consider valid?
And stop using Wikipedia as a source stick to Muslim sources(ie: hadith) for this discussion on the life of muhammed

The Science Of Hadith: A Brief Introduction

 

[blackslash]

Lmao what the hadith online scholars are back????

Huh? What are u implying?
The hadiths are valid Muslim sources why are we attempting to discredit them now?

 

[blackslash]

The Science Of Hadith: A Brief Introduction

Bruh stop throwing links,my way and simply answer the questions
I've grown up in this shyt
I'm well equipped to debate this topic
So please I have to ask, what hadiths do you submit to as valid sources?

 

[Saiyajin]

Bruh stop throwing links,my way and simply answer the questions
I've grown up in this shyt
I'm well equipped to debate this topic
So please I have to ask, what hadiths do you submit to as valid sources?

im not an islamic scholar how tf do I have the authority to determine which hadith is valid and what isnt?

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

Huh? What are u implying?
The hadiths are valid Muslim sources why are we attempting to discredit them now?

I know very well about the faith i became part of and emotionally departed and will defend because post 9 11 everyone and their down syndrome kiddies knew everything about Islam including Arabic and the classical Arabic interpreters.

 

[blackslash]

im not an islamic scholar how tf do I have the authority to determine which hadith is valid and what isnt?

I'm asking you personally? How long have you followed islam?

 

[blackslash]

I know very well about the faith i became part of and emotionally departed and will defend because post 9 11 everyone and their down syndrome kiddies knew everything about Islam including Arabic and the classical Arabic interpreters.

Well I grew up in a Muslim household
Went to a private Muslim school
Trust and believe I'm not faking the funk