In 90's Hip Hop, ALLAH was the dominating top "God"

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nikkas were ignorant to that Muslim shyt in the 90's, we now know that alah is a false god who's followers preach hate.:francis: Remember Jesus still loves you even when you turn your back on him.

There was a lot of faux-militance in the 90's. Rappers perceived Islam as a representation of everything anti-white and anti-establishment, and so they latched onto it as though they belonged. :mjlol:
 

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Huh? What are u implying?
The hadiths are valid Muslim sources why are we attempting to discredit them now?
No they're not. No true Muslim takes Hadith as true interpretation of what is read in the Qur'an. They change original messages meaning and interpret them in their own way, that doesn't even make sense within the context of how they're stated in the Qur'an.

Arabs have taken a lot of what was in the Qur'an, inserted their own culture beliefs into it, muddling the waters. I suggest reading The Arab Conspiracy Against Islam by Aidid Sadad
 

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No they're not. No true Muslim takes Hadith as true interpretation of what is read in the Qur'an. They change original messages meaning and interpret them in their own way, that doesn't even make sense within the context of how they're stated in the Qur'an.

Arabs have taken a lot of what was in the Qur'an, inserted their own culture beliefs into it, muddling the waters. I suggest reading The Arab Conspiracy Against Islam by Aidid Sadad
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It's plainly understood in most Muslim circles that the quran is a complete book but the hadiths provide greater detail to understand the quran
But let's talk about it
Give me some ways you believe the hadiths corrupted the interpretation of the quran
 

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I don't think Hadiths seriously tbh. I know it's a strawmans argument but if there is any positive in there I like to read about it and learn from it but I certainly don't hold it to an absolute source of authority as I do the Quran.

I find the Hadiths useful for things mentioned in the Quran but not expanded upon. For example Quran tells you to pray. Hadith tells you how many times. Stuff like that.
I know what you're saying. Hadiths were written hundreds of years after Muhammad's death. Imo they are all sketchy at best. That's not to say they don't contain great nuggets of info, but you should use discernment regarding them.
 

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Quote from a literal translation of the bible commissioned by a medieval pedophile "raised" in the same lodge with Sir Francis Bacon one of the 40 plus Shakespearean authors of the Bible..nothing more than a bibliography of old african allegorical tales and stories

corrupted by RACIST WHITE EUROPEANS whom wanted you to WORSHIP something outside of yourself

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Funny because the book says throughout that Jews had Black skin. Since Jesus was a Jew that would mean that God came in the flesh with Black skin.
 

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No they're not. No true Muslim takes Hadith as true interpretation of what is read in the Qur'an. They change original messages meaning and interpret them in their own way, that doesn't even make sense within the context of how they're stated in the Qur'an.

Arabs have taken a lot of what was in the Qur'an, inserted their own culture beliefs into it, muddling the waters. I suggest reading The Arab Conspiracy Against Islam by Aidid Sadad

Uh what? Hadith is synonymous with sunnah, of course they hold weight.
 

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Islam as a doctrine that teaches devotion to one God is all good.

Islam as a movement and religious campaign is not, and pretty destructive to everything around it.

Fortinately, I learned that you don't need to be Muslim or an Arab dikkrider to be a monotheist.
 

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It's plainly understood in most Muslim circles that the quran is a complete book but the hadiths provide greater detail to understand the quran
But let's talk about it
Give me some ways you believe the hadiths corrupted the interpretation of the quran

For starters, praying 5 times a day and the way in which you pray.
 

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I came up on Hip Hop from the West and South and for the most part Allah was not present in the music. I guess technically it wasn't Hip Hop I was listening to it was just rap music.

I can worship a statue made of wood and give to it the same reverence that is due to God and call it God but that doesn't mean that the statue is God. Not sure why everyone thinks that everything worshiped or called God is therefore automatically the creator God. Or that God would except such a notion.

Ah,....... there is problem with the Muslims believe in Jesus rhetoric that is commonly repeated. The Quran completely contradicts the biblical teachings of Jesus. So much so that the bible calls what Muslims teach about Jesus anti-christ. So it's not the same Jesus that Christians believe in. It's a Jesus changed from a preexisting text into Islam's own image. They believe in a Jesus not the Jesus.
1st Chapter of Galatians.
 

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What do you consider the valid hadiths?
And we can keep it strictly quran if you want to
Ima do my best to expose the evil which is Muhammad and Islam
Les get it


See, here's ultimately the flaw in your reasoning, Blackslash. You're asking questions like "what do you consider valid hadiths." You aren't even in tune with the system designed to filter hadiths by their accuracy and legitimacy, yet think you're in a position to have a debate over them. Religious scholars spend their entire lives studying hadiths and trying to trace them back to the Prophet, and if they can't, they're deemed inauthentic.

As for your arguments themselves, the Prophet was asked about his marriage to Aisha and why he chose her at such a young age. His response was very clear: she would be best able at that age to absorb his teachings and lifestyle and record it in a way that could be preached to humanity after his death. The prophet's first wife, Khadijah, was well into her forties when he married her; she would not have been able to witness his growth as a person and be able to relay his teachings after he was gone. The prophet did not engage in sexual relations with Aisha when she was at that young age either, this is something you can look up for yourself if you wish. Moreover, the words of Aisha are highly published. You can do some research and look into the type of man she stated the Prophet was and the nature of their relationship, instead of so casually and dismissively saying things like, "he wifed up a kid." Statements like that discredit you because they indicate you clearly don't understand the social and cultural structures in place in that region at the time.

Moving aside from that, your statements about Pagans and Jews are also extremely erroneous. It's well documented that after the Hijra to Medina and the subsequent return to Mecca, people of all faiths were allowed to live peacefully among Muslims. Islam has never, ever, propagated the persecution of non-Muslim or even non-religious people. I point you to this verse:

There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong.
Surat Al-Baqarah, Verse 256
This is one example out of possibly hundreds between the Qur'an and hadith that condemn religious persecution.

Do Muslims today have fundamental social and societal problems? Absolutely. But please have the understanding to differentiate that from the actual faith itself.
 

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It shouldn't hold any weight.

Eh, I disagree. As a Muslim one is instructed to take both the Qur'an and Sunnah into account. There are issues the Qur'an simply did not address. Those are meant to be answered by either direct quotes from the Prophet or an analysis of how he behaved.

I'm sure you're aware of this, but texts like Sahih' Al-Bukhari have compiled known, authentic hadiths into volumes and organized them by category. They go hand in hand with the teachings of the Qur'an.

If you're someone who chooses to omit that aspect of the faith, that's on you. But the Shahadah is clear: I bear witness there is no God but Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.

It's the crux of the faith itself.
 
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