In hindsight KD making deep Western Conference runs with Yung Sabo is incredible

[stepbackj34spud]

But yall hold Westbrook in high regard becasue he has a motor and puts up stats. 30 years from now people will look at Westbrook and swear he was an all-time great when it's a big fukking lie.

 

[Trojan 24]

That OKC team was the favorite in 2012. These nikkas love rewriting history.

Pre-Warriors KD, the distance between Bron and him was the distance between Duncan and KG.

Its like if KG joined the Lakers (ironically almost happened) and won 3 chips and people saying he was as good as Duncan all along.

Both GREAT...however, it was always clear who was better..

Anybody that watched ball knew the Heat were taking that series

Prime Bron, Wade and Bosh were going to lose to 3 relative kids?

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

You said Steph was clearly better in general, which wasn’t true at all. and Steph being better in a few playoff series means nothing. Kobe has series better than Shaq during the Lakers 3peat. Was he better than Shaq overall??

KD also outperformed Steph in almost every metric in both finals and we seen what KD was doing in 2019 playoffs too.

2019 vs Clippers
35/5/5/1.5/1.2

steph-24/6/5/1.2/0.3

2019 vs Houston. 33/5/4/0.8/0.8

Steph-23/4/5/1/0.2

and Steph performed well in the 2018 finals except game 3. KD was just better not just in stats and lytics. Anyone suggesting otherwise, I have to ask what the hellwere you watching???
There terrible cavs defense also pretty much beat the warriors the previous year I fukks with Steph and believe his gravity opened up things for KD, of course.

however there’s only about one year you could a make a argument he was ever better than KD

from the start of their careers. KD has had more achievements/better stats all around, and was generally the better player. Again I fukks with Steph but his most success came as a sidekick for a reason

First off I corrected myself and focused on just that year (2017). So why the long response to some shyt I clearly shifted my focus on?

However, yes Steph WAS MVP worthy in 2018 breh.

He was the best player for the Warriors in games 1, 2, and 4. That is an absolute fact. HIs shytty performance in game 3 and an all time great performance from KD cost him the award.
All the while KD was giving up 34/10/8 to Bron.

Curry legit had an argument for that MVP series.

 

[RubioTheCruel]

Anybody that watched ball knew the Heat were taking that series

Prime Bron, Wade and Bosh were going to lose to 3 relative kids?

I remember when OKC won game 1 was like the Heat are gonna get swept, I was like are you kidding me?

 

[Mindfield333]

Why is Dennis Schroder consistently blowing by everyone that’s guarding him? That’s wild to me

 

[duncanthetall]

Y'all can slander KD for the Warriors move all you want, dude is still fringe top 10 all time right now
2 rings
2 fMVP - head to head v prime Bron
1 league MVP
4 scoring titles
Scoring repertoire so elite that he doesnt need unique pieces around him to fit
Damn good defender now
Knows the "right play" is him taking over and shooting

And I still think he gets to 30k points
Hes at 22,940 right now
Im giving him 5 seasons, 65 games each at 23ppg = 7475 pts

When he's done:
30k+ pts
3 Rings
3 fMVP
4 Scoring titles
1 league MVP
Top 5 of all-time

Him joining the Warriors is “head to head vs Bron” lmao wow

 

[RubioTheCruel]

Why is Dennis Schroder consistently blowing by everyone that’s guarding him? That’s wild to me

He's one of the quickest Gs in the league offensively

 

[Mindfield333]

He's one of the quickest Gs in the league offensively

I’m not saying he sucks by any stretch but where tf are the adjustments?

 

[murksiderock]

The real revisionist history is acting like KD wasnt universally top 2 before his injury and before the went to the warriors.

The real revisionist history is pretending that the level of difficulty in the east is equal to the west.

The real revisionist history is forgetting who squaded up in the weaker east.

All things equal, Bron and KD are right with each other. Only difference is Bron bring the chosen 1, east coast bias, and the east conference.

To me it's really about godly scoring versatility and godly shot creation vs God tier driving and elite passing. And I know personally, give me the walking bucket 10 out of 10 times

Let LeBron win 5 out of 9 then I we wont use it. It is valid when comparing a counterpart during the same time period. If you can sit here and say the east competiton has no factor in LeBrons post season success, then idk what to tell you . All I know is that KD was going at legit dynasties and unquestioned, top 20 alltimer to get out of the West. While Bron with Wade and Bosh was fighting tooth and nail to beat the mighty Indiana Pacers with young pandemic P, Mr. 0-0 Boy Hibbert, and Lance Stephenson . Doesnt seem too equal to me

So it starts like this, every team that made The West wasn't some juggernaut or potential dynasty. If you go back and look at the teams both met in the postseason from 2010-2016, you can't really make the argument Durant had it rougher...

It evens out to me, West on the aggregate has been the stronger conference for years and there have been a few years where The East was embarrassingly weak. On the same hand, The West has in most years just been extraordinarily top heavy----->kinda like this year's East. We can see that the four teams who were the best teams all year, were massively better than the bottom four. People have said "East so much better now!" when closer to the truth is there is parity amongst a few teams at the top, and everybody else is just playing just to be playing...

West has had years like that...

That said, my larger point is that while it's true to point out The East has been weaker, that doesn't negate that LeBron has answered the bell on the playoff stage more than Durant...

I never said KD wasn't Top 2, he been in that Top 3 conversation going back to '12 or so, but that ain't what you said. Making a statement that he's "been better than LeBron since 2012", or any time before '17, is pretty much a categorical lie, as it can be seen how these guys performed relative to team and opponent since then, how both guys performed when favorites, how both guys performed with backs against the wall, how both guys performed vs each other and the context around that, etc. That is what I addressed. Durant has been elite of the elite, I never argued against that...

Really got people acting like KD was the better player that year. I been told @murksiderock @Dray5K how much people have that let finals cloud that year.

Bruh the earliest year anybody could even argue that Durant was better than LeBron starts in '17. That's to even debate it, 10 years into their overlapping career, and ive stood on the opinion that KD gassing in his first year, as the overwhelming favorite, for his first ring, vs a guy who is always there and still played well in a loss---->that one W in '17 doesn't push him over LeBron. There is no pattern of behavior...

But '17 is the earliest to even consider it, before '17 wasnt nobody nowhere outside of his most ardent loyalists even trying to say KD was "better" than LeBron James. Kevin Durant wasnt even saying it, he's on record as saying he just felt he was in the conversation--->which he was. Second or third best player for a half decade before '17 at the earliest...

Repeating that domination mode in '18 is more accurately when he took the "best player" torch. '19 saw him approaching possibly his highest level of play ever before injury and we were all robbed of seeing how high he could push it. Altogether nikkas lose sight of the fact that, that's 3 years in a 13-year overlap. He doesn't have close to enough on the board for dudes to be saying he is touching LeBron on an All-Time stance...

however there’s only about one year you could a make a argument he was ever better than KD

from the start of their careers. KD has had more achievements/better stats all around, and was generally the better player.

I definitely agree with this. Same thing, the duration of their careers have overlapped for 11 years. Steph was a better player in '16, thats about it. Now, Steph was always more integral to GS's success for sure, but he has mostly never been better than KD and despite having a few series outplaying him (Russ also outplayed KD in a few series but we know who the best player on OKC was), the point stands...

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

Anybody that watched ball knew the Heat were taking that series

Prime Bron, Wade and Bosh were going to lose to 3 relative kids?

Ah so they were kids now when Wade was about 80% ( was having knee issues against the Pacers) Bosh was coming off the bench in game 1 and they just went 7 games against an older Celtics team

Those same kids had just slaughtered the Spurs 4 straight games.

 

[I AM WARHOL]

That OKC team was the favorite in 2012. These nikkas love rewriting history.

Pre-Warriors KD, the distance between Bron and him was the distance between Duncan and KG.

Its like if KG joined the Lakers (ironically almost happened) and won 3 chips and people saying he was as good as Duncan all along.

Both GREAT...however, it was always clear who was better..

The only revisioning going on is by Bron fans tbh. Can you at least acknowledge there's a difference between getting through the east vs the west? As well as the talent distribution in the east during lebrons run?

The Thunder were the favorites but young teams do not win rings. That's a testament to just how great KD was. Dude was so good in 2012 people threw away years of history that point to young teams not winning because they knew dude was different. Before the finals it was KD getting the "If KD wins, will he be the next MJ" talks. Do you know how good you have to be at 23 for your team to be the favorite against a prime Lebron, Wade and Bosh?

The youth is what got them in the end. Stage was too big for russell and Harden. KD went off. Russell went on to have what Magic said "was the worst game he has ever seen from a point guard" .

 

[murksiderock]

Anybody that watched ball knew the Heat were taking that series

Prime Bron, Wade and Bosh were going to lose to 3 relative kids?

"Three kids" lmao. I guess Russell was a kid in '57 vs the defending champion Hawks, Kareem was a kid in '71, Magic was a kid in '80, Bird was a kid in '81, so on and so forth...

Yall love bending these rules to suit your narrative. They were favored, and people who watched basketball favored them. That ain’t an opinion, it actually happened...

 

[THE MACHINE]

Him joining the Warriors is “head to head vs Bron” lmao wow

Im talking about his matchup. I saw some 4th quarters when he engaged in the smoke and Bron had a strange look in his eyes.

 

[I AM WARHOL]

So it starts like this, every team that made The West wasn't some juggernaut or potential dynasty. If you go back and look at the teams both met in the postseason from 2010-2016, you can't really make the argument Durant had it rougher...

It evens out to me, West on the aggregate has been the stronger conference for years and there have been a few years where The East was embarrassingly weak. On the same hand, The West has in most years just been extraordinarily top heavy----->kinda like this year's East. We can see that the four teams who were the best teams all year, were massively better than the bottom four. People have said "East so much better now!" when closer to the truth is there is parity amongst a few teams at the top, and everybody else is just playing just to be playing...

West has had years like that...

That said, my larger point is that while it's true to point out The East has been weaker, that doesn't negate that LeBron has answered the bell on the playoff stage more than Durant...

I never said KD wasn't Top 2, he been in that Top 3 conversation going back to '12 or so, but that ain't what you said. Making a statement that he's "been better than LeBron since 2012", or any time before '17, is pretty much a categorical lie, as it can be seen how these guys performed relative to team and opponent since then, how both guys performed when favorites, how both guys performed with backs against the wall, how both guys performed vs each other and the context around that, etc. That is what I addressed. Durant has been elite of the elite, I never argued against that...



Bruh the earliest year anybody could even argue that Durant was better than LeBron starts in '17. That's to even debate it, 10 years into their overlapping career, and ive stood on the opinion that KD gassing in his first year, as the overwhelming favorite, for his first ring, vs a guy who is always there and still played well in a loss---->that one W in '17 doesn't push him over LeBron. There is no pattern of behavior...

But '17 is the earliest to even consider it, before '17 wasnt nobody nowhere outside of his most ardent loyalists even trying to say KD was "better" than LeBron James. Kevin Durant wasnt even saying it, he's on record as saying he just felt he was in the conversation--->which he was. Second or third best player for a half decade before '17 at the earliest...

Repeating that domination mode in '18 is more accurately when he took the "best player" torch. '19 saw him approaching possibly his highest level of play ever before injury and we were all robbed of seeing how high he could push it. Altogether nikkas lose sight of the fact that, that's 3 years in a 13-year overlap. He doesn't have close to enough on the board for dudes to be saying he is touching LeBron on an All-Time stance...



I definitely agree with this. Same thing, the duration of their careers have overlapped for 11 years. Steph was a better player in '16, thats about it. Now, Steph was always more integral to GS's success for sure, but he has mostly never been better than KD and despite having a few series outplaying him (Russ also outplayed KD in a few series but we know who the best player on OKC was), the point stands...

That's just a ridiculous statement

 

[I AM WARHOL]

"Three kids" lmao. I guess Russell was a kid in '57 vs the defending champion Hawks, Kareem was a kid in '71, Magic was a kid in '80, Bird was a kid in '81, so on and so forth...

Yall love bending these rules to suit your narrative. They were favored, and people who watched basketball favored them. That ain’t an opinion, it actually happened...

Bro look at how far back you have to go to try to find an equivalent . Yes they were kids. Going that far with your top 3 players being 23 and younger was completely unprecedented